If you go back 100 years and see what an 8th grade grad was capable
of, it is roughly equal to a HS grad of the 60s. College grads now
are generally not even as capable as the HS grad of the 60s or the
8th grade grad of the 1800s or early 1900s.
A good homeschooler or educator can tutor a kid to a 1960 level HS
in 4-6 years. A lot can probably do it in less. It is not dependent
on lesson plans or textbooks. It is based on lighting the natural
curiosity and guiding and channelling that curiosity ing constructive
things. Ever think about how much time/money/brainpower is wasted in
this country? Computer games, sports, TV, drugs etc. for kids and
adults. Imagine if all the time/talent/money in this country was
unleashed on constructive things!
The problem is thatkids now are so over protected that they have no
experience and social development (responsible involvement with
society) Now we have biig brudda wanting to try to keep farm kids
from doing any work. (Its fo da Keeds!!! Surely you don't want
keeds hurt do ya?)
It was those farm kids of the depression that learned how to make
stuff out of what they had that won WWII for us. Countless
battlefield innovations came from the privates, corporals and 3
stripers.
Anyhow, if you can find an archive that has old textbooks, go see
what kids learned 100 years ago by 8th grade. It will astound you.
The infiltration of the mar (X) ists in to the education system is a
deliberate attempt to take us over from within. They are winning.
The plan was laid out in a book from the 50s. It reads like the D#em
plat _form.
Farm kids are the last connection we have with the America was great.
THey are helping as soon as they can. They learn about life, death,
physics, and natural law (consequences and responsibility) way better
than kids in town.
I was driving a tractor and mowing lawns when I was 8 or 9. (kids in
town were watching tv) running a one row cultivator all summer long
by 12 or so. (kids in town were learning how to cuss by listening to
parents at little league games) Driving a truck in the field at 13
or so. Driving the truck (16' box) on a road with lip curbs and 9 ft
lanes on my permit with Mom at 15. Started a wholesale delivery
route at 16, driving a truck to make the deliveries. We didn't have
guards on chains or belts a lot of the time. You knew enough to keep
you body parts away fro those and PTO shafts. We didn't eat paint on
toys or anywhere else. We knew better. We lived with asbestos. We
shot game, skinned it and ate it.
It is time for A 'mericans to ta@ ke ovv er this country again.
The main problem with education (which is really teaching, or more
basically, training, mostly) is that the system was created to
address a very different set of needs, viz., to create a somewhat
knowledgeable yet still pliant work force to fill factory jobs and
such -- jobs that did not require a great deal of insight or
creativity. The system has not changed radically over the last
several decades, yet the needs of the economy have changed
considerably away from that sort of factory job. Before the 50s an
8th grade diploma could get you into the factory, then it became the
thing to go to high school as the demands of the work world began to
increase. Nowadays the jobs available to a high-school-only
graduate are decreasing rapidly as they have been outsourced, and a
minimum 2-year trade/technical degree of some sort is the minimum to
fill even factory jobs, as they have a lot more technology involved
with them. College is becoming more the minimum, though a lot of
the matriculating students are barely high-school (or even 8th
grade) capable to participate in that kind of "knowledge"-based
study.
I learned a lot of this a coupla weeks ago at a conference in which
the future economic development of SC was the topic. The facts
being conveyed about education and the increasing demands of a
competitive economy, based on manufacturing and knowledge sorts of
endeavors, were truly scary. The public systems now in place for
"educating" children are generally failing miserably, and a lot of
that is due to a failure of culture and society to value education,
despite all the evidence that is visible to even a casual observer.
A couple of managers of some big manufacturing operations here were
lamenting that they had plenty of jobs, but no one capable to fill
them. Some of that was due to the current economy limiting mobility
(can't sell your house to go take a job somewhere else) but a lot of
it was due to a limited pool of capable talent irrespective of that
limitation. Interesting.
One statistic that was pretty scary was that in India, the top 10%
of all students outnumbers the entire population of students in the
US. And they are all hungry to have what we have here in the US or
the more-developed world. Multiply that by some factor for China...
--R
On 12/22/11 8:33 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
You all are reading past what I'm saying. I am not saying it not
possible to do a good job home schooling. I'm not endorsing public
schools either. I'm saying to do it (home schooling) well is a lot of
work. And I personally know of people who are "home schooling" their
kids and doing them a tremendous diservice both socially and
academically because they don't know what they are doing, they are not
putting in the effort that it demands, and they don't have the resources
to provide a rich educational curriculum.
Allan
G Mann<g2ma...@gmail.com> writes:
Sorry, I'm calling it out on those points.
Learning is a self guided experience once the desire for information is
awakened.
The idea that awakening can only come from a public school teacher [or a
private one] is one that has been way oversold. A parent can and easily
will guide the child to awakening and keep it energized.
It is not the duty of the state to have that job, and our present lack of
scholastic excellence demonstrates that conflict of interest between "hired
teacher on tenure" and the parent / child.
Grant...
AZ...
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