That surprises me as Scion = Toyota and anybody thats ever priced a used Camry 
has seen Toyota's magic at work.
  I had a Kia Optima as a rental once. It was a decent car, gas mileage was not 
its high point (about 24mpg with a 4cyl) but better than a Chevy Cobalt (also 
4cyl) I had (about 20mpg, yuck!) and I drove the stink out of it. Decent power, 
I had it in San Francisco and it had plenty to pull the hills there.
  
Suzuki also makes a decent product but is underrated in my opinion. The Vitara 
is surprisingly a good woods truck. My Dad had a Chevy Tracker which was just a 
rebadged Vitara (you could even buy parts from the Suzuki dealer and save 
money) and it was excellent in the woods. In fact the Tracker was MUCH better 
in the woods than his Jeep Liberty which is "Trail Rated". I dunno what trail 
they rated it on but we dragged the Liberty about everywhere we went last 
November.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:37:26 -0600
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It's interesting, awhile back I got a thing from one of my banks trying 
to get me to buy a new car so they could be kind enough to collect 
interest from me, and I noticed they had a few stipulations  on some 
car 
makes that they wouldn't loan money on, Scion was on the list, along 
with suzuki,  KIA, and  that other korean one that I don't think was 
around long after I got the ad, and a number of other makes with 
questionable dealer support.
I wish I had kept the ad, it was rather telling of which car companies 
just weren't doing it.

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Temperature changes will affect the nitrogen the same. The real gain is no
moisture but to "get there" you need to fill & bleed out the nitrogen 3 - 4
times so that all of the air is purged out of the tire.

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Yep, I think I'm going to look around the Tulsa area for nitrogen fillups.
Being more inert than the common air from compressed air pumps, it's a lot
less likely to be affected by temperature changes.  Anyone know of any
place in the Tulsa area that can fill up tires with nitrogen?
Best,
Tom Reynolds
Sand Springs, OK
At 07:35 AM 12/15/2005 -0800, you wrote:
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>My local Tire Warehouse offers nitrogen, offers free refills if any leaks
out. I've been sort of thinking that when I put new skins on the 190D I'll
actually get nice tires for the first time in my life (rather than store
brand) and maybe get the nitrogen, its only like $6 more.
>
>  -Curt
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>  Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:22:16 -0700
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>Outsmart everyone.  Fill with nitrogen and then put green valve caps on
>so
>you know it's not "air" in there any more.  Actually, I think some
>major
>stores are doing just that, maybe even Costco.
>Best regards,
>Tom Reynolds
>Sand Springs, OK
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