Moving reminds me: In '68 when moving from Warner Robins, GA, to Raleigh, NC, movers wanted to drive my Karman Ghia up into empty space at rear of long trailer for the overnight drive to Raleigh (They'd charge the weight; I'd get my 2nd car moved for free.). 'Course, I refused; 'could imagine arriving at "new" house in Raleigh the next morning with empty space at rear of trailer - no Karman Ghia and no record of its having gone on the truck.

Wilton

----- Original Message ----- From: "WILTON" <wilt...@nc.rr.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Digital Pianos


Military evidently changed policy since moving SWMBO's upright from Raleigh, NC, to MI UP in '71, to CA in '75 and to Goldsboro, NC, in '79, then.

Wilton

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Penoff" <d...@penoff.com>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Digital Pianos


There are tons of them here, but many of them are spinets and uprights that have been more or less abandoned from lack of use.

Lots of nice small (baby) grands. For under $5k you pretty much have your pick.

I just looked at a really nice Yamaha grand last week that was a one owner well maintained piano that probably cost the OP upwards of $15k about 5-6 years ago. You could get it today for probably $4500 if you had cash in hand.

Too bad they were transferred to another post - the military won't ship pianos....

Dan

On Sep 5, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Randy Bennell <rbenn...@bennell.ca> wrote:

I would guess it really depends on where you are too.
I am in Canada and in Winnipeg. We are used to things costing a fortune here.
Pianos are probably no exception.
If you are somewhere where there are an abundance of them and some real competition then prices are likely better.

Randy


On 05/09/2012 2:16 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
I have immersed myself in the piano technician community over the last
few months, and what I have found is rather interesting:

1.) An old piano is just that - old and tired, and they do wear out over time

2.) Any piano that is more that 15-20 years old, even if it has been
well maintained, will require a fair amount of work for it to perform
properly.

3.) There are a very few brands that are worth rebuilding, and even
then the cost to do so is difficult to justify relative to the value
of the instrument.

4.) Pianos depreciate like cars - rapidly at first, leveling off after
5-10 years of age. Few, if any, will ever appreciate.

5.) The choice of a piano is purely one of personal preference and
taste. What appeals to one may not to another.

6.) Price is a relative thing. There are cheap pianos, then there are
expensive "cheap" pianos.

7.) As with buying any used MB, employ a qualified piano tech to
perform a PPI before buying a piano. It's money we'll spent.

Amazing how many parallels there are relative to our MBs.

As for digital keyboards, newer is always better, and yes, like any
electronic instrument, they depreciate rapidly as technology advances.

Dan

On Sep 5, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Randy Bennell <rbenn...@bennell.ca> wrote:

Let me suggest another issue.

I am told that good quality accoustic pianos tend to hold their value very well or maybe even appreciate in value. Electronic pianos are like computers. Newer better stuff keeps coming along and the old stuff is junked.

So, if you really want an electronic one, let me suggest that you look for a used one that is no longer state of the art.
If you want to invest in a good piano then buy a traditional one.

My church (or at least it used to be my church - I am unhappy with the current clergy and am waiting for them to move on before I go back on a regular basis ) went through this process a few years back and had several in to try them out. The music people liked the fancy electronic one for the capabilities it had but elected to buy a nice ebony grand - Balwin I believe. It has a built in humidifier.
There is a light that flashes when it needs to be refilled with water.

Randy who is not a piano player but wishes he had some musical talent


On 05/09/2012 1:38 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:
We replaced the piano in out church and ended up with a Yamaha Clavinova for half the price of an acoustic piano. The Clavinova's key action (and sound) are very like a good acoustic piano IMO. But the thing that really sold us on the digital piano was maintenance. Our church isn't climate-controlled most of the time (60-80 degree range) and that was hard on the acoustic
pianos.

-----Original Message-----
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Dan Penoff
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 5:27 PM
To: Mercedes List
Subject: [MBZ] OT - Digital Pianos

I am finally going to check off a bucket list item and start taking piano
lessons, something I have wanted since I was a young boy.

While I could purchase an acoustic piano at this point, I would rather invest in a decent digital piano that has good action first. Once I start to become proficient and am sure I want to continue on, I'll be better suited to find a good acoustic piano that I would expect to spend a fair amount on
and keep for some time.

I see a lot of Yamaha DPs on CL in the $300-$700 range, but it's almost like trying to buy a DVD player - they all do the same thing, but what makes one
better than the others?

I want something that will provide action similar to an acoustic piano, and
88 keys. As for all the MIDI and synth stuff, I don't care.

Anyone on the list a keyboard player who might want to weigh in on this?

Thanks,

Dan





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