Gump was the 72 220D. She died a noble death when metal fatigue took out the cam supports
220D was given fresh fuel return lines within two weeks of purchase. These failed within 14 months with B100 use. Daily driver, so much fuel went through them. Fuel lines from the fuel tank as well as the 90* lines up front failed during that time. Second installation of return lines which lasted another 25 months. Cigar hose went smushy, as well as taking out the fuel filter gaskets. Return lines dissolved and sent snot into injectors. I had those rebuilt. Toward the end of the life of the second return lines I stopped using higher than B20. Four years into my ownership, after I had stopped using so much B100, I had to do DV, since they were spewing fuel. IP was being overloaded with BioD, so I had to change out IP oil twice as often as I did engine oil. E300D was sourced in 2003. She had been given fresh return lines, DV seals, 5k miles prior to my purchase. Was running B100 in her during the same period as the 220D. SWMBA was the primary driver. This was the heyday of the B100 Mania in town. Most of the stuff was coming in from the midwest and going to indy as well as big oil locations. Local large producers were just getting plants built. Oregon firms were pumping stuff they made. SWMBA has family down that way, so we filled up when there. Had her a year or so before rubber started to fail. Spent the summer touring Mid-Atlantic and SE states, so not filling with anything but #2 for three months, then went back to high BioD in the fall. Returns and fuel lines began leaking, which made a stink in the cabin. SWMBA did not enjoy this, so the car went to the shop for fresh fuel bits. New rubber lines all over and all was well for another year. Fuel filter seals fail, return lines perforated, and fuel is leaking into the injector wells and filling to the point it ate the valve cover gasket. Sloshing fuel also ate the fuel filler gasket. Trunk and engine bay stink of fuel, as well as polluting the cabin. More shop time to replace that mess. Within six month, the DV seals fail. SWMBA no longer purchases BioD, and forbids me to purchase it for that car. All the damage and issues from using BioD sour her on the E300D, so she decides to purchase a korean car. When the 220D dies, I end up using the ED and in the past three years have not had any issues related to fuel or rubber. clay On Nov 4, 2012, at 7:53 PM, ernest breakfield wrote: > hi Clay! > > i've no idea what a Gump is,... but would be curious to hear a breakdown > of which of those failures you had on which model. > > the large majority of BioD users here in the Berkeley fleet is running > 616s and 617s because they have a reputation for handling Biofuels so well; > i'm wondering if this might be an example of how well-deserved that > reputation is. > > > cheers! > e > > On 31/Oct/12 20:28, clay monroe wrote: >> I am happy you have had such success. I have not had that experience >> myself, so have made recommendation based on the repairs I have made myself >> or paid to have done. The hoses I replaces where not old, but new viton >> from the dealership I bought by the meter. Other rubber parts were either >> dealer or Rusty parts. I also received feedback from two local BioD >> resellers on issues related to the use of B100 and from Chris Goodwin, who >> runs Frybrid.com and worked on the cars to fix the issues related to B100 >> usage. >> >> BTW, I have been using BioD for a decade myself. Once I reduced the amount >> of BioD in the tank, my issues no longer plagued me. The stuff is not >> small scale production, but from major producers from both the midwest as >> well as Imperium, Sustainable, Propel, and other larger local refiners. >> Must be the #2 that caused my issues >> >> clay >> >> >> On Oct 30, 2012, at 9:11 PM, ernest breakfield wrote: >> >>> Clay, >>> >>> i don't know where you got this from, but these "concerns" range from >>> grossly exaggerated to simply untrue. >>> >>> i've got over 80K miles on almost exclusively straight BioD in my W123 >>> over the last 8 years or so, and i'm one of only thousands here in the Bay >>> Area alone that have done so without problem. >>> i didn't replace any fuel lines; decided i'd wait to see how much truth >>> there might be behind the alleged need for it, since it wasn't like fuel >>> line failures are sudden or catastrophic and i would be watching fuel lines >>> in any old diesel vehicle anyway. when the Return Lines *finally* began to >>> show just the tiniest hint of seepage this year, i finally replaced them; >>> all the rest of the lines look good, and i have no idea how old any of them >>> were when i first got the car with ~120K on it. >>> >>> i don't know what's allegedly supposed to happen to the IP or the >>> injectors, but i haven't seen or heard of it happening to any of the BioD >>> MBZs in the BioD fleet here yet. one of the reasons the MBZs are so popular >>> for this sort of stuff is specifically because the inline IPs are so >>> robust. to the contrary, some people claim that the lubricity of BioD is >>> *easier* on the injection parts than #2. >>> >>> i have no idea what BioD could do to a metal fuel tank, and have never >>> before heard of any issue or concern related to such. >>> >>> the one thing i do see yield to BioD is the insulating ring around the >>> filler pipe; i've replaced the one in our car twice in the last 8 years. >>> (it's not like that's a big deal; it's just ugly.) >>> >>> as for it running "just as quiet at B2 as with more", i don't have great >>> hearing, but i'd have to differ there too,.. but that's not why i'm running >>> it. >>> >>> >>> cheers! >>> e >>> >>> '85 300D >>> 200K+ miles (80K+ on B99) >>> >>> >>> On 30/Oct/12 16:48, clay monroe wrote: >>>> Do not run B100. It will eat your rubber parts and destroy your >>>> pocketbook. IP DV seals, injectors, fuel tank and hoses. B20 is the >>>> strongest I would advise. Much over B5 does not increase the benefit to >>>> the engine or cleaning up gunk. Put a gallon in your tank from a 5 >>>> gallon container when you fill up. >>>> >>>> B5 also gives you the mileage you expect while increasing cetane. Not >>>> enough BTU in higher concentrations to improve power or MPG. It runs just >>>> as quiet at B2 as with more. You could run veggie oil for the same impact >>>> on cetane and smoothness >>>> >>>> clay >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 30, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Jon Agne wrote: >>>> >>>>> I stopped by there today on my way back from NYC (story in itself). They >>>>> have two blends, B5 and B100. The B100 pump is around back, drive around >>>>> the left side and back into it. The guys are very helpful, and they >>>>> mentioned to me that they get from Maine....hmmm. >>>>> >>>>> The car did seem to run smoother/quieter, and I did not notice any >>>>> difference in performance. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The owner is a bit odd but the guys working there are nice. Did they say >>>>>> when the BD pump will be turned off? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Curt Raymond<curtlud...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It was indeed the one in Acton (barely, nearly in Concord...) >>>>>> >>>>>> Nice place, doing a very brisk trade in gasoline when I was there. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Curt >>>>>> >>>>>> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:43:00 -0400 >>>>>> From: Jon Agne<jonag...@gwi.net> >>>>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List<mercedes@okiebenz.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel >>>>>> Message-ID:<d8b20cbc-7572-421d-8266-3d09cefa3...@gwi.net> >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>>>> >>>>>> I may try the Acton station on the way home.....if I can get off of Long >>>>>> Island. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Where is this station? Is it the one in Acton? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond<curtlud...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Finally found a bio-diesel pump in my area, put 7 gallons (all it would >>>>>> take) of B100 into my '78 240D yesterday. >>>>>> >>>>>> Before I could get back on the highway I noticed the engine was quieter, >>>>>> just like what happens with a quart of engine oil in the fuel. I think >>>>>> this is due to the increased lubricity of bioD. Its been about 75 miles >>>>>> now and aside from the quietness I'm seeing the flat spot in the >>>>>> beginning of the throttle go away for which I'm very grateful. When I >>>>>> first got the car it would go away if I ran a LOT of Diesel Kleen in the >>>>>> tank but thats an expensive way to deal with the issue. I'm also seeing >>>>>> better first gear performance, easier takeoff I mean. >>>>>> >>>>>> I *think* something had gotten gummy in the IP. I did a does of Diesel >>>>>> Purge last summer and things were better for awhile but the frustrations >>>>>> returned. Of course I commuted with the car 110 miles a day all last >>>>>> week which surely helped but I'm well pleased with this. Also the >>>>>> Bio-Diesel I bought was only about $0.06 more expensive than the >>>>>> cheapest diesel I can find. I wish it was more convenient to my house, >>>>>> I'd use consistently. As it is I plan to fill up there on Fridays for >>>>>> awhile to let the bioD do its work. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Curt >>>>>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go towww.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go towww.okiebenz.com >> To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
