I'm just not a big fan of mob rule. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Michael Canfield <slozuk...@gmail.com> wrote: > So you have no faith that the people can "take back" their rights granted > by the Constitution? It has to start somewhere when Big Brother is using > it to wipe his feet. > > Mike > Who believes gun control means a steady aim. > On Mar 18, 2013 10:09 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" <astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The phrase "pissing in the wind" comes to mind. >> >> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Gerry Archer <arche...@embarqmail.com> >> wrote: >> > States' rights advocates hoist nullification banner >> > >> > Oklahoma Rep. Lewis Moore got his inspiration three years ago at a >> conservative WallBuilders gathering in Dallas, where states' rights proved >> a popular topic among the dozens of state lawmakers. What fired him up? >> Scaling back federal environmental oversight and federal spending. >> > Given the federal government's messy finances, Moore says his state >> needs to prepare to "maintain a civil government in an era of chaos." >> > Interest in challenging Washington is booming. Some of the enthusiasm >> can be traced to President Obama's election in 2008 when worries of a >> "government takeover" of health care and new gun-control measures first >> began to spread. This year, talk of new federal gun regulation has >> re-energized the states' rights movement across the country. >> > States' rights battles of the 1950s and 1960s focused on civil rights, >> and more recent efforts have been driven by the Second Amendment. Today's >> movement is broadening into new subjects, from drugs and health care to >> homeland security. >> > "We have just gotten woken up, like a lot of people," says Moore, who >> heads Oklahoma's States' Rights Committee, an outgrowth of the Dallas >> WallBuilders convention. "What we're saying is we have the power to nullify >> those laws that are unconstitutional." >> > Lately, as the number of issues spurring conflict has grown, so has the >> tenacity of the fight. For example: >> > . Legislation has been introduced in at least 16 states this year that >> would nullify new federal gun laws. In a twist, some bills would make it a >> crime to enforce such measures. A Pew Research Center survey last week >> found 58 percent of Republicans say states should be able to ignore federal >> gun laws. Just 38 percent of independents and 18 percent of Democrats >> agreed. (The Pew Research Center and Stateline are both projects of The Pew >> Charitable Trusts.) >> > . Lawmakers have also proposed making it a crime to carry out Obama's >> federal health-care law. By Jan. 1, 20 states had enacted laws opting out >> or blocking parts of the law, according to the National Conference of State >> Legislatures. More than 200 such measures have been proposed since 2010. >> > . Similarly, more than a dozen states have flouted federal drug law by >> allowing medical marijuana - and Colorado and Washington state recently >> legalized the drug for recreational use. >> > Immigration has provided another flash point. Gay marriage, too, has >> been brought into the argument, as states allowing these unions have fueled >> the fight against the federal Defense of Marriage Act that prohibits the >> U.S. from recognizing them. >> > Lawmakers are coordinating and discussing their efforts. An online forum >> operated by a website called ConservativeStates.com features updates from >> around the country on various states' rights-type measures moving through >> legislatures. Posts frequently highlight a novel measure in a given state >> or a proposal that has gained traction. >> > There is also a growing interest in commissions, task forces and panels >> designed to investigate, scrutinize and, eventually, oppose federal laws >> that legislators deem overly burdensome or unconstitutional. The organized >> approach, advocates say, reflects the growing coordination among those >> looking to assert states' rights. >> > The new battlegrounds this year perhaps have the most potential to upend >> the common thinking of states' rights, often assumed to be dominated by >> Republicans. In particular, advocates have keyed in on worries about drones >> and other criminal-justice issues, some of which have melded the political >> left and right into an unlikely alliance. >> > In Michigan, for example, the Senate unanimously passed a measure saying >> the state wouldn't comply with a provision of the National Defense >> Authorization Act that critics say could allow American citizens to be held >> indefinitely without trial on suspicion of terrorism. Among the advocates >> of the bill were the ACLU and local tea- party groups. >> > "We're telling the United States government, 'We will not cooperate with >> you,' " says Sen. Rick Jones, a lead sponsor of the bill who is a former >> sheriff with three decades in law enforcement. "As a state, we're asserting >> the 10th Amendment" that supports states' rights. >> > The ultimate effectiveness of the Michigan proposal - or any of the >> other measures challenging Washington - remains to be seen. Jones cites >> northern states' fight against the Fugitive Slave Act in the 1800s as >> precedent for states challenging laws deemed unconstitutional. But the >> overarching supremacy of the federal government on many issues casts doubt >> on how much of a difference some of the measures will ultimately make. >> > What's more, many of the bills are dismissed by critics as anachronisms, >> throwbacks to an earlier time, or a sop to conservatives simply rebelling >> against a federal government they oppose more out of distaste for Obama >> than policy disputes. The gun measures, in particular, are dismissed by >> some as more rallying cry than policy proposal. >> > Mike Maharrey, of the Tenth Amendment Center, and others say there is >> potential for more alliances of strange political bedfellows as the issues >> for states' rights multiply. He cites drones and indefinite detention as >> one possibility, along with opposition to federal drug laws that have >> united the left-leaning liberals and right-leaning libertarians for a >> common end. >> > "More people are beginning to look at the basic concept," Maharrey says. >> "At the core, most Americans believe in keeping government as close to home >> as possible." >> > Oklahoma's Moore says he hopes to host a "nullification convention" >> later this year where lawmakers can discuss states' right issues and how to >> fight back against Washington. At the least, these efforts seem likely to >> spawn headaches for the federal government. >> > "Simply refusing to cooperate with these federal laws makes it very >> difficult for the federal government to implement them," Maharrey says. >> "The process continues." >> > >> > http://seattletimes.com/text/2020584402.html >> > _______________________________________ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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