I'm using Mobil 1.

Wilton

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Penoff" <d...@penoff.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Newbie here looking for a part for my 73 450SL. (trunk lock cylinder bracket)


Welcome, Andy.

While there is a possibility someone on the list has the part you need, or knows of one at a local knackers (junkyard), you might also try posting something over at Benzworld in the Vintage forum.

In the meantime, hang out here for a while and enjoy the ambience!

I'll start things off by asking what kind of oil you use in your Mercedes?

(We won't hold it against you that you know Clay.)

Dan


On Aug 30, 2013, at 10:00 PM, andy rosenthal wrote:

Hi all.I'm new to the list, brought on board by my friend, Clay.I recently bought a '73 450sl. Someone tried to break into the trunk before I bought it. I had a new trunk lock-cylinder keyed to match my ignition, but it came from a newer sedan, and the bracket that houses the cylinder is different. (Too "stout" -the latch won't clear) If anyone has the correct bracket for this model/year or knows where to get one, I'd be very grateful. Thanks,-Andy




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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 17:12:15 -0600
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 108 photos

On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 17:24:32 -0500 Rick Knoble <rickkno...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

On Aug 30, 2013, at 5:05 PM, "Craig" <diese...@pisquared.net> wrote:

It would have helped to have links to the pictures, or reasonable size
pictures (say 1024x768) instead of the 2592x1936 (which is larger
than my monitor at 1920x1200....

I agree. That is the problem with phones that have 12 terapixel (I am
being facetious) cameras. The inferior optics plus the over sized image
sensor allow crappy pictures to be huge.

My Nikon Coolpix 775 has different sizes of pictures one can choose
between. Do phones have the same capability?


Craig




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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 19:08:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 108 photos

Which is the simplest to join and use?
Thanks,
Gerry

There is a reason for Flickr, Picasa, Photobucket, DropBox, etc. They are
easy to link to, and you can post as many digital images as you like.
Rick





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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:54:29 -0500
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT power line ethernet

I wonder how you use a reflector with one of the new flat box WiFi MIMO
routers with no external antennas?
I'm thinking trial and error now --- a quarter wave length is about 1.2" --


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Fmiser <fmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

The easiest is a reflector for the antenna.

http://www.freeantennas.com/projects/Ez-10/

There are other, more effective ways - but they all cost a _lot_ more.

--   Philip




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safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775
"in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes."
- Benjamin Franklin 1789
2013 F150, 19 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!



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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 19:58:44 -0400
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Bringing back the View Master

Totally, at http://reelagram.com we're catering specifically to the Instagram community--purely 2D. Our partner, Image3D, who makes all of this possible can work with you to create true stereo reels http://image3d.com


Darren

On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Fmiser <fmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Darren wrote:

Hey all, just wanted to share a little diddy we just launched. No
doubt you're familiar with View Masters, the old school slide
reel viewers--you probably had some Disney ones years ago...
maybe still do.

I've partnered up with a guy that used to shoot in stereovision,
did all that fancy stuff for Spielberg back in the day... and
well in the spirit of adorning the analog, I'm trying to get the
new kids hooked back on these things.

If I'm reading correctly, it looks like you are making 2D,
mono-image viewmaster disks from users images.

What if I have stereo-view pictures?  Can those be turned into
stereo-view viewmaster disks?

--   Philip

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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 19:04:15 -0500
Subject: Re: [MBZ] my kinda car

The local VW dealer has one in the show room, mostly restored. It's not for
sale, and I don't think they drive it.


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Randy Bennell <rbenn...@bennell.ca> wrote:


We saw some of those "Things" when we were in Hawaii last winter. A good
vehicle for that climate.

Randy




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2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 20:09:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT power line ethernet

Just hang a piece of foil up behind it...

Despite having internal antennas, most of these new "encapsulated" routers often have fittings for external antennas.

You might also see what is available in the way of antennas for the endpoint. I have gone that route with some success on desktop machines.

Dan

On Aug 30, 2013, at 7:54 PM, OK Don wrote:

I wonder how you use a reflector with one of the new flat box WiFi MIMO
routers with no external antennas?
I'm thinking trial and error now --- a quarter wave length is about 1.2" --







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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 19:11:09 -0500
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT power line ethernet

Right, but you get interference patterns that cancel the signal in some
places, and boost it in others without properly placing the reflector -


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com> wrote:

Just hang a piece of foil up behind it...

Despite having internal antennas, most of these new "encapsulated" routers
often have fittings for external antennas.

You might also see what is available in the way of antennas for the
endpoint.  I have gone that route with some success on desktop machines.

Dan




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safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775
"in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes."
- Benjamin Franklin 1789
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2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!



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From: l02tur...@comcast.net
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 20:25:36 -0400
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 108

Came across an article in Octane about this company doing "resto-mods"
on older MBs.  Very impressive MBs!!

http://mechatronik.de/

Enjoy -
Larry

On 8/30/2013 9:01 AM, Richard Hattaway wrote:
Rented a Toyota Corolla the other day for a trip while the wife's car was in the shop. It was one of the 'Sport' models.

That thing was a rocketship compared to any older MB I've owned. Course most of my stuff was diesels, but did have a coupla M110 engines in my career.

The little nippon car handled like it was on rails, and although it did not see 100 mph, it did see 40 mpg with great flair (c:


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 From: Gary Hurst <jabbahur...@gmail.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 108


i guess it is heresy, but cars are soooo powerful and fast today

which is odd as in much of the USA, driving fast is a thing of the past.
gone are the days of getting clocked and triple digit speeds and paying 100
bucks for it


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
<astrasfo...@gmail.com>wrote:

Off with his head!


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:25 PM, Gary Hurst <jabbahur...@gmail.com>
wrote:

compared to a modern powerful engine, they are all a joke


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:11 PM, <dsereta...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Yes the 4.5 is quite the beast. My brother had a 280SE 4.5 and shit
that
thing was fast!  Can even imagine what a 6.3 would be like.



Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 29, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Peter Frederick <psf...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
It's almost twice as big and gets about the same milage -- 3.23 gears
instead of 3.88, uses less fuel.
I suspect at 4.5 can be safely tuned to get around 18 on the highway
if
you use only premium.
No comparison in terms of power, the 4.5 is a real beast.  Factory
specs
are 9.5 sec 0-60, and most of that is on the "fast" end.  It's
actually a
pain to drive on the open road, it keeps wanting to go faster and it's
necessary to keep lifting your foot to stay near the speed limit. Top
speed
is 125 for the 4.5 and 118 for the sixes, although if you are brave you
can
push them faster.  You will wear the cylinders out pretty fast if you
do
(as in a couple runs).
Peter



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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 10:02:14 +0930
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Quick 108 photos

Funny how when Klebby posts pictures, they get approved in a nano
second, us peasants sit there for days/weeks/years waiting.

Seriously though, my take is that a 108/9 is a car that is suited to an
enthusiast who really loves these cars and is willing to put the effort
into them.
Unless you get lucky and find a minter for cheap (grandma selling off
grandpas old car type of thing), there is not much money to be made.
Parts for these things are getting rarer and rarer, most bits on the car
are 40 years old and will need replacing sooner rather than later.
Looking at those pics, the dash is cracked, the seats are cracked, the
wood work is faded, the body is average and that's not even getting into
the mechanicals.
If the body was close to perfect on that car, I would say it would be a
worthwhile proposition, insofar that you don't have to spend money on it
and can focus on the interior and mechanicals.

Hendrik
who has a close to perfect body

On 31/08/13 08:16, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
One other thing too, even though some folks like the 6 cylinder better, I still think I would rather have a v8. I have had a couple of 4.5s none drivable tough and ended up selling them before fixing them. Even had a 300sel once.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 30, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com> wrote:

Consider that you have a tendency to either flip stuff or sit on it for a while. It's not going to appreciate in value, at least not for some time. If you let it sit it's going to be problematic, as the fuel system won't like it.

I think you would be wise to pass. At least until you find me a nice finnie like the one you bought cheap off of Toad.

Dan

On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

I think I am going to pass on it as I do not have any other 108 parts cars and no telling what I would be getting involved with. Going to look at a ran when parked a year ago 87 300d for $1k only a few miles away

Sent from my iPhone






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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 20:44:47 -0400
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 108

I had a slightly different epiphany - when i was doing 90in my 911 I
could see waaaaay in the distance a big Buick slowly pulling out in
front of me.   I thought - "They have no idea how fast I am
approaching"  as I got on the brakes and slowed dramatically.  That was
the last time i drove in "Go to Jail Territory".   It's just too
dangerous.  People just don't expect a road rocket to be heading toward
them and the fast driver has _/all /_the responsibility to avoid the
accident. Many people can't even see a small sports car several hundred
yards in the distance much less estimate how fast they're approaching.

BTW, i know I was being irresponsible by driving so fast on a public
road and never drove that fast again...

BTW, a few years ago the speed limits in Montana and N. Dakota were not
enforced.  I've even heard that people from Europe have brought their
fast cars over specifically to drive on those interstates because the
Autobahn was becoming so congested.    That was on a program called
/Modern Marvels - The Autobahn/ and included a great snip of a SL
tumbling over and over from "high speed" then seeing the driver hop out
and walk to the hill next to the highway. They said the Germans built
cars that could survive and excel on the unlimited speed zones.  It was
pretty impressive.  I believe it's still on Youtube in several parts....
BTW, there wasn't much left of that SL!

Larryt
91 300D

On 8/30/2013 1:41 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
the problems today is the penalty. what used to get you a warning or maybe
a $100 fine today gets your car impounding, the night in jail and a 4
figure fine

i remember the encounter with police that finally convinced me you can't
drive fast anymore in the USA after decades of believing the driving time between fort lauderdale and naples is about an hour. it was about 3 years ago on I-85 in NC. i had been driving with another guy at about 120 but he
turned off, so i slowed down to a comfortable cruising speed.  about 5
minutes later the blue lights came on behind me.

"do you know why i pulled you over?"
"yeah, you felt obliged to because of my speed"
'do you know how fast you were going?"
"like 85ish.  maybe closer to 90"
"what??  why did you tell me that???"
"well, i mean, we both know how fast i was going, so why play games about
it?"
"do you know what i'm supposed to do now?"
"well, judging by your tone, i am unaware"
"i'm supposed to impound your car and arrest you. then, after you get out
of jail, you'll have to return in person to stand trial"
"what???????????"
"look, i'm writing you up for 79 in a 65.  please be more careful in the
future!"

so i heeded his warning and no longer drive fast. in fact, i mostly just
ride a bicycle nowadays


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Depends on where you are. Head north of Bangor, Maine on I95 and the speed
limit is 75mph, everybody is cruising at 85mph +

-Curt

Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 23:30:53 -0400
From: Gary Hurst <jabbahur...@gmail.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 108
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i guess it is heresy, but cars are soooo powerful and fast today

which is odd as in much of the USA, driving fast is a thing of the past. gone are the days of getting clocked and triple digit speeds and paying 100
bucks for it
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 20:48:19 -0400
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 108

Speaking of little cars, every time I see a MB "Smart Car" I think,
Geez, I'd hate to be in that thing when I was involved in a wreck!
They look like they'd roll up like aluminum foil.. but hopefully I'm
wrong -  right?

LarryT

On 8/30/2013 3:04 PM, clay wrote:
I am using my mothers Corolla while she is out of town. I hate that car. It is buzzy and feels like it is made of tinfoil and chicken wire. You feel every ripple in the road and get whiplash when you strike an errant pebble. I drove it to Montana and back a few years ago. That was a mind rending experience. Eight plus hours of drone and skiffle about the roadway while your back and all ached from the poor support.

IT does get wonderful mileage though

clay


On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:01 AM, Richard Hattaway wrote:

Rented a Toyota Corolla the other day for a trip while the wife's car was in the shop. It was one of the 'Sport' models.

That thing was a rocketship compared to any older MB I've owned. Course most of my stuff was diesels, but did have a coupla M110 engines in my career.

The little nippon car handled like it was on rails, and although it did not see 100 mph, it did see 40 mpg with great flair (c:


________________________________
From: Gary Hurst <jabbahur...@gmail.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 108


i guess it is heresy, but cars are soooo powerful and fast today

which is odd as in much of the USA, driving fast is a thing of the past. gone are the days of getting clocked and triple digit speeds and paying 100
bucks for it


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
<astrasfo...@gmail.com>wrote:

Off with his head!


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:25 PM, Gary Hurst <jabbahur...@gmail.com>
wrote:

compared to a modern powerful engine, they are all a joke


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:11 PM, <dsereta...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Yes the 4.5 is quite the beast. My brother had a 280SE 4.5 and shit
that
thing was fast!  Can even imagine what a 6.3 would be like.



Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 29, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Peter Frederick <psf...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
It's almost twice as big and gets about the same milage -- 3.23 gears
instead of 3.88, uses less fuel.
I suspect at 4.5 can be safely tuned to get around 18 on the highway
if
you use only premium.
No comparison in terms of power, the 4.5 is a real beast.  Factory
specs
are 9.5 sec 0-60, and most of that is on the "fast" end.  It's
actually a
pain to drive on the open road, it keeps wanting to go faster and it's necessary to keep lifting your foot to stay near the speed limit. Top
speed
is 125 for the 4.5 and 118 for the sixes, although if you are brave you
can
push them faster. You will wear the cylinders out pretty fast if you
do
(as in a couple runs).
Peter



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