Hi Dan, I have one suggestion and then I'll say no more: Try to avoid "scolding" members with whom you disagree. (See your "scold" below.) One member wrote me that he was leaving the list because of your "attitude"; i.e. you apparently "scolded" him.
Otherwise, perhaps you could get with the Ritter list "management" and combine the two lists. Some of the long time members on this list know what I mean. (grin) Gerry....who will still hang around because of all the fine members and their interesting submissions (including yours.) .............................. Dan wrote: > There is no censoring on this list. If a user isn't moderated their posts go > right to the list. > > I totally agree with the "we are all adults here", however, it was clear from > the beginning that people were getting riled up on the subject. While we do a > fairly good job of moderating ourselves, I stepped in in order to prevent > this from going totally in the tank. I would rather err on the side of > caution than have the list degrade into a verbal free for all. Along these > lines, I received many private messages expressing concern about the thread > within minutes of it posting, which tells me the issue is contentious. > > Dan, who was one of the original members of the mbz.org lists and a founding > member of the Ritter list > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Oct 6, 2014, at 8:53 AM, "arche...@embarqmail.com" > > <arche...@embarqmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Without dragging this on any further, just let me say that Kalebs method of > > running a list which assumed that list members were mature adults who could > > use their delete key if they disliked a submission, and your method which > > requires that each member must avoid any subject that "he guesses" might > > upset another member; are quite different. As far as I knew, the only > > banned subject was politics, and what I wrote was not about politics; it > > was about the freedom of communication on the world-wide-web; something > > that millions of internet users are highly concerned about. > > > > As far as this being "a Mercedes list" we both know anything and everything > > gets discussed here. > > > > In short, am I going to try and censor myself? No. > > If I submit something which you don't think is suitable for this list, then > > censor it; I probably won't even notice that you have. If you so desire, > > remove me from the list; you're the moderator. > > > > Gerry....who has been on this list since it was based in Canada. > > ............................... > > Dan Penoff wrote: > >> Gerry, > >> First of all, if you had questions about filtering, you should have > >> addressed them to either myself or Kaleb privately. Attempting to post > >> something you expect to create dissent or of a highly contentious nature > >> to "see if there were filters for such issues" is simply wrong. > >> > >> Had you bothered to contact myself or Kaleb we would have gladly explained > >> that there are no content filters on this list and to my knowledge there > >> never have been. The list software isn't that "smart". > >> > >> Using the list for social experiments is not acceptable. As for "rules", > >> while there are few explicitly stated, we have had enough trouble with > >> contentious issues that any list member should have a solid grasp of what > >> is and what isn't acceptable subject matter. If anyone has a question > >> about that, they can address it to myself or Kaleb. > >> > >> As to your concerns about the government's efforts to impose control, it > >> hasn't happened here. Your previous efforts to post such things have > >> failed due to their being addressed incorrectly, and as a result the list > >> software rejected them. I have seen them in the approval queue, and > >> considering the content inappropriate for the list, rejected them. Had > >> you bothered to ask me about this I would have gladly explained. I have > >> neither the time nor inclination to address every rejected submission to > >> the list. If someone's subscription goes awry, that's one thing. Seeing a > >> stream of forwarded messages on an occasional basis does not merit a > >> response. > >> This is not the place for a social experiment. This is a list for > >> Mercedes' enthusiasts. Let's keep it that way, please. > >> Again, if anyone has questions, take it private. > >> Dan > >> > >>> Gerry wrote: > >>> I posted this to see if there were filters for such issues on the > >>> mercedes list. > >>> The existence of such filters on Yahoogroups is being investigated by > >>> several members of a Yahoogroups list I belong to, and I had hoped to > >>> post a "failure to deliver" notice here in the hopes that some of the > >>> computer experts on this list could determine how and/or by whom the > >>> message was blocked. > >>> > >>> The government has proposed laws to control the content of submissions on > >>> the internet which are opposed by many, left wing and right wing. > >>> > >>> It isn't surprising that most members objection to the posting is because > >>> of its content rather than the fact that it is not about Mercedes. > >>> Personally, I have a "wait and see" attitude toward "global warming"; > >>> especially since I remember that during the 1970s all the rage was about > >>> global cooling which was why the government took away R-12 and have > >>> caused us Mercedes owners all sorts of air conditioning troubles. > >>> (Mercedes content.) > >>> Gerry...an observer, not a partisan or activist. > >>> > >>>>> Peter wrote: > >>>>>> This is trash promulgated by a non-scientist with a right wing agenda. > >>>>>> You should know better than to parrot viral garbage racing around the > >>>>>> internet before you do due diligence. > >>> ...................... > >>>>> Actually your vitriolic rant is what is garbage. I am a scientist and am > >>>>> on an email list of many leading scientists who discuss the > >>>>> mis-information behind the climate hysteria, not the least of which is > >>>>> that the climate models are increasingly divergent from what is actually > >>>>> happening. > >>>>> > >>>>> From a posting on that list, > >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> _______________________________________ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > >>> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > >>> has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > >> > >> _______________________________________ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > >> has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> No virus found in this message. > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4037/8330 - Release Date: 10/05/14 > > > > > > -- > > arche...@embarqmail.com <arche...@embarqmail.com> > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. 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