https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfgO90yGusI

On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Speaking of A380s, there was a show on Smithonian channel called "Air
> Disasters" which features various airliner/aircraft incidents. Yesterday
> they featured a A380 with a crew of 3 that was on auto pilot when the pilot
> brought his (9 ur old?) daughter and 15 yr old son into the cockpit and he
> first let the daughter sit in the pilots seat and she let her hands rest on
> the control yoke.  Then his 15 year old son had his turn.  He did the same
> with his hands, but being stronger, he was able to put more pressure on the
> yoke.  That's when disaster struck as a feature of the new A380 (and many
> other planes) kicked in -- when pressure is put on the yoke for approx 30
> sec part of the Auto pilot becomes disabled.  At that point the 15 y.o.
> teen was controlling the rudder while the autopilot continued to (try to)
> control the rest.  Evidently this is a feature some commercial pilots
> like.  At that point the auto pilot tried to keep the plane on course by
> adjusting the other controls.  It appears the crew was not trained in this
> feature.  Eventually the plane began to roll while the son was still in the
> pilot seat.   But maybe forces kept him seated.  So the situation continued
> to deteriorate as the plane began to dive then roll and slow spin as the
> crew tried to regain control - the pilot was seated once again.  Eventually
> they appeared to pull the nose up and stop the spinning, but as the plane
> climbed they over-corrected and it was almost vertical when it stalled.  It
> appeared the auto pilot was still in partial control during all of this
> which happened in approx 40 sec.  All these maneuvers used a lot of
> altitude and they ran into a mountain.  The airline was the Russian
> Aeroflot and they said that while what the pilot did was technically
> illegal many did it. Hmmm.  I pray American commercial planes have a little
> better cockpit security.
>
> It's amazing to see the amount of info they get from the cockpit recorders.
>
> LarryT
>
> 91 300D
>
>
> On 03/17/2017 4:59 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> They probably should have been further apart even if it wasn't a 380
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2017, at 2:44 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, but the smaller plane was no Piper Cub. It was a twin engine jet.
>>> The air traffic controllers need to keep these things separated by more
>>> air.
>>> There was only a thousand vertical  feet between them when the A380
>>> passed overhead.
>>>
>>> RB
>>>
>>> On 17/03/2017 2:40 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> With a plane that big it takes a lot of thrust to keep it going which
>>>> really stirs up the air behind it.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 17, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://avherald.com/h?article=4a5e80f3
>>>>>
>>>>> RB
>>>>>
>>>>>
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