Ahh but where does the electric come from?
Don't say solar, you've no idea how much solar you're going to need to charge
an electric car. Right now your electricity comes from fossil fuel and nuclear,
a tiny (though rising) percentage is renewable...
Electric cars are not "no emissions" they're non-local emissions.
-Curt
From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
Agree. That's why I'm gravitating toward Electric.
On Jun 19, 2017 11:59 AM, "Curt Raymond" <curtlud...@yahoo.com> wrote:
You'd rather not have fuel?
Really really bad things happen when train cars slam into towns.
-Curt
From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
Really BAD stuff happens when an oil pipeline ruptures. Doesn't matter if
it's "only" occasionally.
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com
> wrote:
> +1
>
> Having worked with pipeline operators, I can attest to their strong
> commitment to safety. Far, far safer and more reliable than over the road
> or rail transport of this stuff will ever be.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:09 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > True dat. USDOT Office of Pipeline Safety has oodles of data in that
> regard, pipelines are the safest means of transport of all by whatever
> measure you want to take. The pipeline industry is quite proud of this
> record, while still acknowledging "stuff happens." Nothing is 100% "safe,"
> it's the nature of our advanced world. But there are best compromise
> solutions.
> >
> > --FT (not being political, but technical)
> >
> >
> >> On 6/19/17 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >> As opposed to railroads that occasionally take out towns.
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_ disaster
> >> Pipelines are the safest way to move oil of any type. Really when you
> consider the amount of oil moved around the world every day the amount of
> leaks are minor. Its like airline crashes, when they happen they're big but
> they don't happen often.
> >>
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
> >> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:31 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
> >> Pipelines are GREAT until they leak/ignite.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> But pipelines are bad...
> >> I see the protestors almost every week in Keene. I'm not sure if
> they're Mao's buddies or what.
> >> A couple years ago the price of natural gas (and thus electricity) here
> spiked because theres only one pipeline that feeds all of New England and
> we had a really cold winter with the "polar vortex". Didn't bother us much,
> we don't use a lot of electrons and heat with oil and wood but some people
> got pinched.
> >> My neighbor is against any pipelines, says he's not worried about
> rising prices because he doesn't use many electrons either. I don't think
> he's thought through what will happen if his employer moves somewhere that
> energy is cheaper...
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >> Cc: Floyd Thursby <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:11 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
> >>
> >> Those were the product of Jimmuh Cahtah and his Moral EquivaleTrue
> dat. USDOT Office of Pipeline Safety has oodles of data in that
> > regard, pipelines are the safest means of transport of all by whatever
> measure you want to take. The pipeline industry is quite proud of this
> record, while still acknowledging "stuff happens." Nothing is 100% "safe,"
> it's the nature of our advanced world. But there are best compromise
> solutions.
> >
> > --FT (not being political, but technical)
> >
> >
> >> On 6/19/17 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >> As opposed to railroads that occasionally take out towns.
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_ disaster
> >> Pipelines are the safest way to move oil of any type. Really when you
> consider the amount of oil moved around the world every day the amount of
> leaks are minor. Its like airline crashes, when they happen they're big but
> they don't happen often.
> >>
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
> >> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:31 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
> >> Pipelines are GREAT until they leak/ignite.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> But pipelines are bad...
> >> I see the protestors almost every week in Keene. I'm not sure if
> they're Mao's buddies or what.
> >> A couple years ago the price of natural gas (and thus electricity) here
> spiked because theres only one pipeline that feeds all of New England and
> we had a really cold winter with the "polar vortex". Didn't bother us much,
> we don't use a lot of electrons and heat with oil and wood but some people
> got pinched.
> >> My neighbor is against any pipelines, says he's not worried about
> rising prices because he doesn't use many electrons either. I don't think
> he's thought through what will happen if his employer moves somewhere that
> energy is cheaper...
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >> Cc: Floyd Thursby <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:11 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
> >>
> >> Those were the product of Jimmuh Cahtah and his Moral Equivalent of War
> >> (MEOW) about the A-rabs screwing us on oil.
> >>
> >> An interesting dimension of that whole deal back then I got from a
> >> friend I had gone to school with along in there, who worked for GATX
> >> Corp. which basically owned all the rail tankers and storage facilities
> >> for oil, gasoline, etc. He told me that every tanker they owned at the
> >> time was parked on railroad sidings hold oil etc. while there were
> >> "shortages" and prices were spiking. There was not one drop of capacity
> >> anywhere to ship anything, which was causing lots of other issues, and
> >> there was no capacity to store any more product. But their inventory of
> >> tankers etc. was completely booked which was good for their profits.
> >> Magically the "shortage" ended with high prices, and everyone was making
> >> big money. Thanks, Jimmuh! BTW I think Warren Buffett is in that
> >> business now... which makes one wonder why certain pipelines were
> delayed...
> >>
> >> --FT
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 6/19/17 10:00 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Wow. Ford Fairmont. My brother had a two door Ford Fairmont, in
> green. Totally forgot about it until I read this.
> >>>
> >>> What a POS that car was....
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
> >>>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> "1982 was the first year for the all-new downsized Lincoln
> Continental, based on the Ford Fox platform."
> >>>>
> >>>> I knew that all the luxo-barges were being downsized in my high
> school days in an effort to meet emissions and CAFE requirements, but I
> didn't know the Continental was put on the Mustang/Fairmont platform. Is
> that true?
> >>>>
> >>>> Mitch.
> >>>>
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> large or petty,
> >> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> >> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might
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> > never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
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