Cant really disagree with any of that Curt.

I generally time flights into and out of LAX to avoid traffic. The billion
dollar hov lane on the 405 was a complete waste of money. What a
boondoggle.

There is a new tax to support mass transit but the housing development
always seems to happen before the transport infrastructure to support it is
in place. So gridlock will continue for a decade or more I imagine.

Anyway you are always welcome to stop by for a beer as we are pretty close
to that route if you take the 405.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 7:33 AM Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On the one hand I can't disagree with you on the safety front, our species
> is singularly bad at accurately judging risk, look at all the people afraid
> to fly but willing to drive for instance.
>
> On the other hand I like driving and some joy would be lost should I not
> be able to. Also how is a self-driving car going to deal with my cabin 3/4
> mile from the road?
>
> As for heavy traffic, our poorly designed cities and lack of public
> transport are largely to blame. When I go to LA I end up driving from LAX
> to Burbank which takes too long in the best of times. I'd love to be able
> to take the train but its so terribly inconvenient its actually easier to
> drive. Someday when the rail extension to the airport is done it might be
> feasible, I look at it each time I'm there and it seems like progress is
> being made but only when measured against the fact that I've been making
> this trip for a decade, the month to month progress seems to be essentially
> zero...
>
> -Curt
>
> On Friday, June 1, 2018, 1:42:04 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
> The bar is set fairly low in terms of human controlled car accident rates
> and humans coping with unexpected failures.
>
> There seems to be a greater willingness to accept human errors than machine
> errors. Not sure this is entirely rational.
>
> Humans are really bad drivers. If a machine can do it reliably better then
> bring it on. When I am old, I dont think I will be saying I wish I spent
> more time driving. The best car is the one you never have to drive, so you
> can spend your limited time on earth doing more interesting stuff.
>
> Think of all the consciousness wasted by people sitting in stop and go
> traffic, concentrating on the bumper ahead. And the negative effects on
> stress and mood. What a drain on humanity.
>
> Why is a human running a red light and t boning me so much better than a
> machine doing it? Or a machine wrecking my car instead of me somehow worse?
> What matters is the overall performance across the population vs current
> technology.
>
> Ultimately the costs and benefits of these things will speak for
> themselves. I'm pretty sure the machines are already better. Waymo has
> driven millions of miles on public roads now. Fiat just sold them another
> 20k minivans to use as driverless taxis. You dont buy 20,000 minivans
> unless you are pretty sure about what you are going to do with them.
>
>
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