At our other house the water heater is in the garage which would be OK but in 
the winter mah not be as effective. At this house if some sort of vent could be 
installed that had some sort of diverted to vent the cold in the winter and 
direct in into the house in the summer. I wonder if that sort of setup would be 
possible. 

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> On Dec 30, 2019, at 5:57 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, that’s one of the issues with these being used in colder climates. 
> That and their efficiency drops off when the ambient goes down, too. In a 
> basement they seem to do OK but if they’re in the living quarters like in 
> your place it’s probably not the ideal setup.
> 
> I did a lot of research on these before I bought the one for the old house. 
> They’re definitely best for certain kinds of applications, but not all. More 
> heat = more efficient. That’s ideal in my climate, as the garage is always 
> warm even in the “winter”. Definitely made a difference in the energy 
> consumption. Between my new AC unit and the hybrid water heater, both 
> replaced at about the same time, my very worst electric bill went from 
> $275/month to maybe $150/month. That convinced me I made the right decision. 
> I wished I had known the new AC would make such a significant difference in 
> energy consumption, as I would have replaced it a long time ago.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 30, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I have never heard of these hybrid water heaters before so I looked into 
>> them. I like the idea but the problem here is our water heater is actually 
>> in its own closet inside the house. The cold air it would vent in the winter 
>> would be a problem unless I installed some sort of vent to vent it into the 
>> attic space. In the summer it would be great. Hmm. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Dec 30, 2019, at 5:35 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The infrastructure is already 12+ years old and hasn’t been maintained. I 
>>> would have to pretty much start from scratch.
>>> 
>>> I want hot water without hassle. No:
>>> 
>>> Penetrations in my roof
>>> Circulation pumps
>>> Having to drain down should freezing temperatures occur
>>> Potential for damage in the event of a hurricane
>>> 
>>> I’ll go with my hybrid heat pump water heater and get the free cooling for 
>>> the garage. Do the math:
>>> 
>>> Energy guide for standard 50 gallon electric heater, roughly $500:
>>> 
>>> <035505002440.pdf>
>>> 
>>> http://pdf.lowes.com/energyguides/035505002440.pdf 
>>> <http://pdf.lowes.com/energyguides/035505002440.pdf>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Energy guide for hybrid (heat pump) 50 gallon electric heater, roughly 
>>> $1200:
>>> <035505003348.pdf>
>>> 
>>> http://pdf.lowes.com/energyguides/035505003348.pdf
>>> 
>>> Mitch can put his pencil to paper and come up with the details if he’s so 
>>> inclined, as he’s definitely good at that sort of thing, but the rough 
>>> numbers would suggest that the payback is far better on the hybrid heater. 
>>> And it even has better recovery.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
> 
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