There was a time when people thought it was crazy to pull oil up out of the ground and try to refine it, after all you could get all the oil you might ever need by boiling it out of whales...
As an aside we went to a gun show last weekend and one of the vendors had small cans of whale oil. I didn't see how old they were but I'd guess 50-60 years or more. -Curt On Friday, March 4, 2022, 11:36:03 AM EST, G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: In the middle ages, the holy grail of alchemists was developing the magic formula to turn lead into gold. It never worked, but that did not keep rich people from funding alchemists to keep trying. "Making fuel" from something always involves vast expenditure of time and energy which quickly equates to using more energy than you make. I think it qualifies for a special Darwin Award for futile endeavors. On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 7:58 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I agree that crops as fuel doesn't make any sense but the future of > ethanol/biodiesel is algae based. They grow the algae in tanks fed on the > carbon dioxide output of power plants. Its a win-win, capture the carbon > (and presumably excess heat) coming out of the power plants and create a > usable fuel. > > -Curt > > On Friday, March 4, 2022, 09:03:12 AM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > Let's hope not. It's silly and inefficient to use food crops as fuel. That > applies to Ethanol as well. > > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, at 11:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > Maybe biodiesel will return to the pumps. > > > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 11:37 PM G Mann via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Yes, diesel pickups were and still are abused by using used veg oil. > They > >> are ruined for the same reasons. > >> Used cooking oil is severely contaminated with water, acids, and food > >> particles that do not flow throw injection pumps and injectors. Failure > to > >> remove those contaminants is common with the belief that you just pump > the > >> waste cooking oil into your diesel tank and drive away for free. > >> That does not work. > >> Add to those sins the viscosity of veg oil at room temperature [whatever > >> ambient temp might be]. > >> IF you have clean veg oil, de watered, and acid neutral, it still must > be > >> pre-heated to between 160F/180F to achieve a flow rate that will support > >> atomization at the injector nozzle. Below 160F the nozzles will dribble > and > >> spew instead of spray crisply. > >> The lack of good spray pattern means you do not get good compression > >> ignition, thus semi burned veg oil builds carbon globs that stick and > stack > >> in the combustion chambers, valves, and nozzles. Those chunks of semi > >> burned carbon grind the rings and cylinder walls to death. > >> Further, the cold veg oil overworks the injector pump, fails to > lubricate > >> the close tolerance moving parts, and galls them [ruins the IP so it can > >> not be rebuilt]. > >> So, the answer to your question is.... Yes, diesel trucks are also > >> destroyed. > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:17 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> > When oil was $10/bbl did they use it as salad dressing?? > >> > > >> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 10:11 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > I saw it with older VW diesels also, around here. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, at 9:59 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > >> > > > Good question. I have only really noticed it with MB diesels. For > >> some > >> > > > reason people think you can just run them with no maintenance and > >> they > >> > > > will last a million miles. > >> > > > > >> > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> > > > > >> > > >> On Mar 3, 2022, at 8:57 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes < > >> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > >> > > >> I wonder if they (veg oil morons) destroy diesel pickups too? > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Rick > >> > > >> > >> > > >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >> > > >> Sent: March 3, 2022 8:53 PM > >> > > >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; davesl...@okiebenz.com > >> > > >> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >> > > >> Cc: ka...@striplin.net > >> > > >> Subject: [MBZ] It’s 2008 all over again > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Starting to see posts on Fakebook, and ads for cars for sale, > >> talking > >> > > about running used cooking oil as fuel. Here we go again. What cars > >> were > >> > > not destroyed by the first round of cooking oil people, then the > hood > >> > stack > >> > > people, will surely be destroyed by the second round of cooking oil > >> > people. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > > >> > >> > > >> _______________________________________ > >> > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > >> > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > > >> > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> _______________________________________ > >> > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > >> > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > > >> > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________ > >> > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > > > > >> > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > > > > >> > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________ > >> > > http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > > > >> > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > > > >> > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________ > >> > http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
