Thanks for the info. I probably won’t buy either car as I already have too many projects but the 73 was offered to me by a friend who has owned it for the last 30 years. I then noticed that 380 close to me on eBay. I would still like to find a reasonably priced 108 that is half way decent.
Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 24, 2022, at 9:11 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > For proper diagnosis and tuning of D jet you need these items: the factory > manual, a good multi meter, time, money. You really need to take your time > to diagnose every circuit to ensure its within spec, there are no wiring > issues, connector issues (common), etc. And of course, to understand how > it all works together. When you actually need to replace parts (likely), > injectors, trigger points, MPS sensors, and ECUs are all expensive. You > need to take the time to repin and replace connectors that are damaged or > corroded. > > I've been doing a lot of this lately. I just finished a 3.5 that was a > real disaster - lots of incorrect parts and tuning by mechanics who had no > business working on these cars. It would have been much easier to work > with a car not running but in original condition. Ended up taking me about > 25 hours of working for a total bill for the customer of around $8000. > That was just to get the car running properly, there is still much more to > do. > > On the flip side, my 280SE 4.5 has about 3000 miles on the engine I rebuilt > this spring. On the last tank of fuel I averaged 14.5 mpg, which is pretty > damn good! Took some time to get it really dialed in, especially the MPS. > I've been measuring them and making adjustments on used units to bring them > back to new and it's really successful. > > Overall, the 380SL is a better car in lots of ways. The 450SL has more > power, but power isn't everything. But I'd probably buy the one in better > condition cosmetically. > > >> On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 9:44 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> I have not messed with d jet too much, >> At least it’s been a while. What sort of special tools do you need? >> >> I had a 86 560SL once many years ago. Picked it up for $2500. It was green >> with tan leather. Really nice car and I don’t recall it having anything >> wrong with it. At the moment it’s a mystery to me why I sold that car but >> sold it on eBay for something like $4500 to somebody in Germany. I really >> wish I would have kept that car. >> >> As far as 450s go I would rather have a 78-80 I think but it seems like >> some years were detuned with less power. These do have the servo ACC from >> hell though. The 73 450 in question does have manual climate control, the >> short bumpers, that steering wheel that only the early ones had, and >> hubcaps. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 24, 2022, at 5:38 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> Don has some good questions, but I agree about the points for a 380 >> over a 450. 560 is a bat out of hell car, but they’re tough to find in good >> shape for decent prices. >>> >>> If you don’t have the tools and skill for Djet I would avoid it. >>> >>> Later is always better. >>> >>> -D >>> >>>> On Sep 24, 2022, at 12:16 AM, OK Don via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Desirable for what? For driving - either the very early 350/450 or the >> 560. >>>> The early ones don't have ACC to fight with. The 560 is the most refined >>>> and has enough power. The 380 felt sluggish to me - didn't like it. >>>> I'd want a hard top - had enough of soft tops with the MGA and '58 >> Chevy to >>>> last the rest of my life. THe pagoda hardtop is the best looking as >> well. >>>> That's my NSHO. >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 10:44 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have been offered a 73? SL, its been sitting in garage for 8 or so >>>>> years. Will need fuel tank pulled and cleaned out. Pump replaced. >> Zero >>>>> rust, very nice paint, interior supposedly OK, converted to electronic >>>>> ignition, has about 200k on it, supposedly new injectors at 190, new >>>>> exhaust at 180, new shocks and springs at 170. Its red, no hard top. >>>>> Been looking at a 85 which is white, you can read about it here >>>>> >>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/125520279598 >>>>> >>>>> Doubt I buy either one of them but it just got me to thinking about the >>>>> differences between the early and later cars and if one is more >>>>> desirable that the other, aside from the 560. >>>>> >>>>>> On 9/23/2022 10:37 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: >>>>>>>> General question about 107s. What would be more desirable, an early >>>>> 107, a 72 450 with D Jet, mechanical lifters but converted to >> electronic >>>>> ignition, or a later 85 380? Is the hard tip missing a huge deal on >> these >>>>> or are they easy to find? >>>>>> For my money, the late 380 is a sweet deal. Hard tops are easy to >> find, >>>>> or at least >>>>>> used to be. They all came with one, but many cars were wrecked when >> the >>>>> top was >>>>>> off. They used to have a bunch hanging in Aurora (in Seattle) when I >>>>> was last there, >>>>>> years ago. _I_ even have an extra top, I bought it for the defroster >>>>> glass. I think I paid >>>>>> about $350 for the top, off Craigslist. >>>>>> >>>>>> 'Officially', the 380 is the bottom of the list, the 450 the middle, >> and >>>>> the 560 the top. >>>>>> But the 380 is a trouble-free, evolved specimen, and unless you want a >>>>> race car it's >>>>>> plenty fast enough. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Jim >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> OK Don >>>> >>>> "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you >>>> are wearing." >>>> >>>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to >>>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain >>>> >>>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” >> Wernher >>>> Von Braun >>>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >>>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg >>>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >>>> _______________________________________ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > Jaime Kopchinski > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
