Tesla owner friend of mine drives anywhere/everywhere and is always close
to a charging station. Very cool car, particularly in full self drive. I
would own one if I could afford it.
I almost purchased a Mercedes B250E but the 87 mile range was too short, so
I purchased a 2015 ML 250 Bluetec instead with a 600 mile range.
On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 1:05 PM G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:
> I will remotely consider owning an EV only when they come with a spare 5
> gallon container full of electrons for when it is out of charge and out of
> range of a place to plug it in.
> Point 1: They are over priced
> Point 2: Battery service life is limited and replacement costs far exceed
> the value of the car when the battery dies.
> Point 3: Disposal of the dead and unrepairable very expensive battery
> presents a huge environmental toxic waste problem, for which there is no
> current or near future solution.
> Point 4: Even at the current ownership density, the electrical grid is over
> task to provide sufficient electrons to "gas them up", and, strictly from
> the engineering view, rebuilding the electrical grid to meet present and
> future demands [if we all only drove EV's] would cost many Billions of
> dollars, and take decades to approve new power generation plants, since
> coal and nuke are now virtually outlawed, all viable streams have been
> dammed and producing at capacity, [example, Lake Meade draw down in last 3
> years left it nearly empty.]
> Point 5: If you give proper consideration to the environmental damage
> mining and processing of rare earth materials causes, world wide, to
> produce the exotic EV batteries, then add the disposal environmental
> problems , lack of ability to recover rare earth materials from the "dead
> batteries" the highly touted "EV" comes off the assembly line with an
> environmental toxic load that far exceeds its capacity to "Save the
> environment" and that is brand new, never driven, even.
> Bottom line, EV's are a man made environmental disaster produced under the
> governmental guise of "saving the world"..
> { Short rant complete, note the Mercedes has structurally withdrawn from
> the EV marketplace.. }
> G. Mann ...
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 9:37 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The chinee are flooding Euro markets with cheepcheep EVs, in UK they are
> > like £12k, cheeper than anything any brit or euro builder can build and
> > cheaper than any other vehicle on the market. A big RORO dumped off
> > like a thousand of them a few weeks ago at some UK port. They are
> > likely low-powered, low-range tin cans that might appeal to some if they
> > have travel that would fit within the limitations of a low-end EV. Saw
> > a report that the chinee are building so many more EVs than needed for
> > domestic consumption that they are also dumping them in Germany etc.
> > where they are awaiting release to the markets (if that happens). If
> > the brits and euros cut their own throats with EV mandates and allowing
> > chinee imports that will be the death of local auto manufacturing, EV
> > products or not. Not sure they would be approved for US markets but who
> > knows what our elected fools will do.
> >
> > The other issue that is looming as EV adoption increases is charging the
> > things. You would need a home charger of some significant capacity to
> > charge them quickly (probably minimum 40A if not much more). For those
> > who don't have their own house where they could install a charger, they
> > have to rely on public chargers or in their apartment complexes etc. It
> > takes quite a bit of time to charge an EV although supercharging can be
> > fairly fast but 2 problems -- the batteries can't take multiple
> > sequential fast charges so will drop charge rate and increase charge
> > time, and if multiple cars are at multi-outlet charging station there is
> > not enough current from the grid to do them all at once, so the chargers
> > choke the current among each charger and then it takes longer. So you
> > see these long queues at charging stations when everyone decides they
> > need juice for tomorrow, or they are on a trip and hit a charging
> > station along with many others, and they can sit for hours waiting for
> > the queue to move. Both these issues are problematic if you want to go
> > on a longer trip in any reasonable time, or even charge your car in some
> > reasonable time for your daily commute.
> >
> > Check out a youtube channel MGUY Australia, he has been putting out some
> > pretty amazing vids about the whole technical and practical nonsense of
> > mandating EVs.
> >
> > I think the things have a place in the world and technically are kinda
> > cool (not that I would be keen on one) but are the not the end game.
> > Plug-in hybrids with regen make a lot more sense. Interestingly in
> > Norway where electricity is quite plentiful and apparently relatively
> > cheap, EV adoption has been high (subsidies, COA, etc.) but I saw that
> > many people have a gasser they keep too, for longer trips and in the
> > winter when EV range goes to shite due to the cold. So a mix is what
> > the market votes for even when an EV is a relatively cheap option.
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >
> > On 5/7/24 11:58 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> > > I am not a real fan of the electric vehicles being pushed upon us by
> > > the fools who think they are wonderful, but I see enough propaganda on
> > > a daily basis to make me think about them.
> > >
> > > Some of you folks are engineers etc and likely have a better grasp of
> > > this sort of thing than I do, so here are my current thoughts on the
> > > subject.
> > >
> > > It appears to me that most of the current crop of electric vehicles
> > > are high powered and very quick. Some or perhaps most are also all
> > > wheel drive. They are also generally quite expensive. They require
> > > high powered chargers to charge in reasonable periods of time and the
> > > batteries do not last for the long haul and are expensive to replace.
> > >
> > > I am wondering why. Would it not make a lot of sense, if one is trying
> > > to make a wholesale change to the vehicle world to build lesser
> > > vehicles. Use smaller motors that use less power. That should either
> > > extend the range or permit smaller batteries of perhaps both would be
> > > possible. That should also result in lower electrical use for charging
> > > purposes so it would be less expensive to operate them. If the battery
> > > was smaller, it should weigh less and special tires might not be
> > > required and the tires should last longer. Most would not require all
> > > wheel drive so there would be maybe 2 motors rather than 4 of maybe
> > > even, only one motor like we have enjoyed in the past. Smaller
> > > batteries should be less expensive to replace. Maybe they could even
> > > be swappable entities rather than require a lot of work to replace.
> > > Despite the fact that "luxury" cars are popular, there must be a
> > > market for more basic cars without all of the electronic gadgetry in
> > > cars like the Tesla.
> > >
> > > Randy
> > >
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