Of course you could do the same diagram for gasoline/diesel vehicles, with 
leaks at the oil wells, leaks at the refineries, leaks in the transport 
tankers, leaks at the distributors, leaks at the retail gas stations.

It may not be as bad as the electric scenario, but it's there. There is a lot 
of energy used, and attendant losses, with the production of any refined fuel. 
No escaping the laws of thermodynamics.



On Tue, May 7, 2024, at 18:54, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> The electric cars themselves are quite efficient, especially with regenerative
> braking.  That is not the problem, other than the self-discharge rate.
>
> But, like the fact that they're ALL _remote_ emissions vehicles, and
> not _zero_ emissions vehicles, the inefficiencies in the _charging_
> side of the equation are never talked about.  And they're... substantial.
>
> The Tesla has to run the AC while charging to keep the battery pack
> cool enough to charge safely.  You think that energy, both what is being
> pumped out of the pack and the energy necessary to do the pumping,
> is free?
>
> "If gasoline-powered vehicles were as inefficient filling up as EV's, this
> is what it might look like."  <<cut to scene of 'gasoline' dripping from cars
> and overhead pipes, spraying out around the filler flap, people ducking
> and running in panic, using umbrellas, etc.>>
>
> "But that's not how it is.  Modern gasoline-powered vehicles are clean and
> efficient."  Etc.
>
> Oh, that PSA ad could be _so_ much fun!
>
> -- Jim

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