with a 6 block commute - and no other driving - I will wear a battery down - faster or slower - depending on temp. But fluctuating temp really throws a big variable into that test. CM
Levi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, I guess the real answer is this. How many times do you not have your lights on and then find your battery wasn't charged enough? If you can do this frequently, then try turning your lights on and see if it helps any.... (: Levi On 2/2/07, Christopher McCann wrote: > > I am DEFINITELY not misinterpreting what this guy (who, otherwise > knows quite a bit about cars, raced cars, built race cars, does all > his repairs, etc). We've had this argument SEVERAL times. > > > If you turn the headlights on with the engine running, all you're going > to do is make the alternator send a decent portion of it's charge to the > lights, thereby preventing that much potential energy from reaching the > battery > THAT is exactly my reasoning with this guy and he > insists otherwise...but it's not just him, OTHER people have made the > same argument that he is making. > > Chris > > > > Levi Smith wrote: Wuh???? Maybe I'm missing > something I'm not familiar with, but I think > someone's either feeding you a line, or you're misinterpreting > something... > > If you turn the headlights on with the engine running, all you're going to > do is make the alternator send a decent portion of it's charge to the > lights, thereby preventing that much potential energy from reaching the > battery. Not that it should be any problem, but technically speaking... > The alternator should charge the battery either way... > > Unless there's something weird I've never heard of where turning on the > lights will somehow drop the voltage and get the alternator to kick out > more? Never heard of such a thing, but who knows... > > There is that thought that turning the lights on BEFORE you start the car > gets the battery's chemistry moving to give you a little more oomph for > cranking. But I've never completely bought into that(never done it for > that > matter) and it's a moot point on anything with glow plugs anyway... > > Levi (: > > On 2/2/07, Christopher McCann wrote: > > > > I am told by everyone that driving with your lights on (or some > > other accessory) helps to recharge the battery faster after starting > > by putting a load on...the alternator? the battery? something. I don't > > get electricity. > > > > BUT, I THINK, I recall Marshall (sorry if I am mis-recalling) arguing > > that this does not hold for our older cars... > > > > Which is the care? Why? Different wiring set up? 7F this morning > > and the 300SD (1985) started fine (w/ block heater) and the 300D > > (1982) seems to start nearly all the time at any temp with no block > heater. > > > > Can someone help me understand this? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri > > -2006 GSD, "Anke" (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz) > > -2006 GSD, "Heinrich" (Zane von der burg Austerlitz) > > -1985 300SD, 219K miles, "Wulf" > > -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, "little blue klatter box" > > > > --------------------------------- > > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > > with theYahoo! 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Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2006 GSD, "Anke" (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, "Heinrich" (Zane von der burg Austerlitz) -1985 300SD, 219K miles, "Wulf" -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, "little blue klatter box" --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Feb 02 16:02:46 2007 Received: from web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.69.26]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) id 1HD0s9-00029d-UC for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:02:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 1953 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2007 16:02:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tnofVKMVM1mnWSGrkoilJBbPxBaq6c9EIuJ_cbdGalNBQoI9ihV_sHSSMhk4ZnuIQibyLiqs1YuEnzR5DRuTg0KynVD_0JNbrNw.xqbgkYuo3L.l28Zb40zUgyqv0yM0Yb4Ecdu523aQd3U- Received: from [24.123.111.98] by web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 08:02:04 PST Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:02:04 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] battery recharge and driving with the lights on X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com> List-Post: <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:02:46 -0000 and this could vary from one voltage regulator to another, depending on how it is designed to work, correct? Chris Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unless there's something weird I've never heard of where turning on the > lights will somehow drop the voltage and get the alternator to kick out > more? Never heard of such a thing, but who knows... Unless the voltage regulator in the car is doing something weird, this makes no sense to me. Voltage is all that is going to determine how fast the battery charges. If putting an 8A load on makes the voltage kick _up_, however, then there would be something to that. -- Jim _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2006 GSD, "Anke" (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, "Heinrich" (Zane von der burg Austerlitz) -1985 300SD, 219K miles, "Wulf" -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, "little blue klatter box" --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Feb 02 16:07:32 2007 Received: from web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.69.24]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) id 1HD0wl-0002WM-L4 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:07:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 24449 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2007 16:06:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EWAchuwVM1ml3AV1CLqBziq2m4pWqdwNgpOwwdhFoTk5isOpVYzHz._WMMH.L9YVYdUgP_E86W3vAJ9A_RutfYlAn1na4lhFnvBBZWQl10pP5pvbAULoZv5Z69fAvFGu9uF_k1wZ5ZKPuC4- Received: from [24.123.111.98] by web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 08:06:45 PST Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:06:45 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] battery recharge and driving with the lights on X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com> List-Post: <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:07:32 -0000 Werner, Thanks for the explanation. I am glad that my gut instinct is agreeing with what you all are saying. GSD = German Shepherd Dog. My two dogs. The German Shepherd is one of the few dogs that have the word "dog" in their official name, so they are "GSD"s for short. Chris Werner Fehlauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Chris - that sounds like a stretch from abstract theory to the real world. An alternator can only put out a limited number of Amperes, and if the lights are on, they will consume some of that current. I suspect that if the battery was fully charged so that the terminal Voltage was high, thereby "telling" the regulator to reduce the alternator output, then lowering of the terminal Voltage by putting a drain on the system (lights on) might increase the Amperes coming into the system. However as a practical matter, after starting the engine (especially a Diesel with glow plugs), the battery is not fully charged, so the alternator/regulator system will be doing its best to send Amperes to the battery. Therefore, shunting some of those Amperes to the lights will do nothing to help the battery. (Oh, BTW - what kind of vehicle is a "2006 GSD"?) Werner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher McCann" To: Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:32 AM Subject: [MBZ] battery recharge and driving with the lights on >I am told by everyone that driving with your lights on (or some other >accessory) helps to recharge the battery faster after starting by putting >a load on...the alternator? the battery? something. I don't get >electricity. > > BUT, I THINK, I recall Marshall (sorry if I am mis-recalling) arguing > that this does not hold for our older cars... > > Which is the care? Why? Different wiring set up? 7F this morning and the > 300SD (1985) started fine (w/ block heater) and the 300D (1982) seems to > start nearly all the time at any temp with no block heater. > > Can someone help me understand this? > > Thanks, > > Chris > > > > > Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri > -2006 GSD, "Anke" (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz) > -2006 GSD, "Heinrich" (Zane von der burg Austerlitz) > -1985 300SD, 219K miles, "Wulf" > -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, "little blue klatter box" _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2006 GSD, "Anke" (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, "Heinrich" (Zane von der burg Austerlitz) -1985 300SD, 219K miles, "Wulf" -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, "little blue klatter box" --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? 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From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Feb 02 16:08:20 2007 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.231]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) id 1HD0xX-0002du-2X for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:08:19 +0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 69so783425wri for <mercedes@okiebenz.com>; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 08:07:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.113.18 with SMTP id l18mr5129786agc.1170432454734; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 08:07:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.95.17 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:07:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:07:34 -0500 From: "Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] battery recharge and driving with the lights on X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com> List-Post: <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:08:21 -0000 Are you even getting the car up to operating temp then? Levi On 2/2/07, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > and this could vary from one voltage regulator to another, depending on > how it is designed to work, correct? > > Chris > > > > Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unless there's something > weird I've never heard of where turning on the > > lights will somehow drop the voltage and get the alternator to kick out > > more? Never heard of such a thing, but who knows... > > Unless the voltage regulator in the car is doing something weird, > this makes no sense to me. Voltage is all that is going to determine > how fast the battery charges. If putting an 8A load on makes the > voltage kick _up_, however, then there would be something to that. > > -- Jim > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri > -2006 GSD, "Anke" (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz) > -2006 GSD, "Heinrich" (Zane von der burg Austerlitz) > -1985 300SD, 219K miles, "Wulf" > -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, "little blue klatter box" > > --------------------------------- > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your > question on Yahoo! 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