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From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue May 29 22:54:14 2007 Received: from [142.161.130.102] (helo=mx-mtaout02.mts.net) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) id 1HtAZy-0006e8-NO for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 29 May 2007 22:54:14 +0000 Received: from wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net ([172.17.170.22]) by mx-mtaout02.mts.net with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for <mercedes@okiebenz.com>; Tue, 29 May 2007 17:54:09 -0500 Received: from wnpgmb09dc1-153-19.dynamic.mts.net (HELO one) ([204.112.153.19]) by wnpgmb02-c600c.mts.net with SMTP; 29 May 2007 17:54:09 -0500 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,590,1170655200"; d="scan'208"; a="188064737:sNHT28560581" From: "R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 17:57:29 -0500 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com> List-Post: <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 22:54:15 -0000 Please bear in mind that folks who drive larger vehicles have some difficulty in safely passing you in traffic. I have had a Suburban and now a couple of F150's. I don't want to clip some poor cyclist with my mirror while trying to get around him and not hit the car/truck in the lane next to me. After holding up traffic behind me to cleanly get around the cyclist, it really irks me to have him pass me at the next light and have to do it all over again in the next block or two. I have tried pulling close to the curb before stopping to send the message but that seems to enrage cyclists and I have had them bang on my vehicle. I understand folks who wish to ride as they want the exersize or don't have a car. I have friends who do it but I don't plan to join them and I really think that city traffic is a lousy place to ride. I think a cyclist really needs to be mindful of how much bigger and heavier a truck is. I can't stop on a dime and any error on their part or my part is gonna hurt. Do do yourself a favour and stay as far away from trucks as you can. Don't push the rules of the road or your luck as you aren't going to win. Please be safe out there. I'm gonna lose sleep if I ever run one of you over. I gave up my Honda Goldwing for similar reasons. I was able to keep up with traffic obviously, but the fools in the trucks were willing to ride 2 feet from my back fender. I try to give motorcycles a whole lot of room as I remember how I felt. However, the common thing is that if I leave a little too much room, some other fool pulls into the space between me and the bike so it doesn't always do much good to be nice. Randy (climbing gingerly down from his soapbox) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers See, this is really amazing to me: It is literally expected that a bicyclist will stop way back from a red light - sometimes a half a mile or more - and wait beside the car that they are next to? And this gets confusing when you consider which car to choose to wait beside. I mean it's a law, right, so let's follow it exactly. If traffic is already stopped and backed up at a light, you are required to pull up along side the rear-most car and wait there? And if you are cruising along side traffic and it slows and stops in a line at a light, you are to find a car that is about to roll to its stop, and pick it as your car to wait beside? If it sounds crazy, I think it is! I don't consider advancing past stopped traffic at a red light "passing" (though I know it is legally considered so). I simply consider it advancing along in my legitimate and legal bike area (the rightmost margin of the roadway). If there is not another bike in my way, I will advance all the way up to the intersection then wait, or go if the light is green by such time. I'm sure I can be proven wrong legally, but that doesn't make it any less a stupid law. And yes, I realize the reason for the law is to avoid the danger of a car pulling out to the right and into the path of the cyclist. All this said, just remember that laws are broken all day, every day, and they always will be. It's known as human nature. I don't remember the last time I saw someone actually come to a complete stop at a stop sign, for instance. And it's extremely rare to find anyone obeying the speed limit. So I am not going to negate the great advantage of riding a bicycle by obeying this urealistic and unreasonable law. Fun, ain't it? Brian Allan wrote: Bikes are supposed to obey all the same traffic laws as cars. I don't know of any jurisdictions where this is not the case. Passing on the right or the shoulder is not a legal manuver. I could see a valid exception if an explicit bicycle lane is marked... _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com