Brazing is actually extremely strong, as strong or stronger than welding with the advantage of a lower temperature during construction. but like everything else a lot of the strength lies in the joint design.
I will still be happy to take a crack at it! :) --- Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Zach, > > You are so right. The tube accepts a rectangular bracket, and it > appears that the break is in the bracket. > > Brazing doesn't sound very strong. So I guess it broke before and > someone brazed it. I did put in maybe a year or so of hard use on the > bike and it held. I have been learning that the point of breakage is > one of the highest stressed areas of the frame. Amazing that it held. > > Seems like a poor design in the first place. > > Brian > > On 7/25/07, Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Sorry for the slow reply... > > > > The brass-colored metal means that the frame is brazed, not welded. > > This *might* mean that the frame is "lugged" which means that the > > various joint pieces are a slip-fit inside/outside the tubes which > is > > then brazed. > > > > Hard to tell from the pics but are you sure the break is in the > tube or > > is it in the bracket that the tube is attached to? Is the center > of > > the break hollow or solid? > > > > The bracket might be a different kind of metal. > > > > > > > > --- Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Zach, > > > > > > I have scraped away the JB Weld, and it is bare now. > > > > > > In doing so, I discovered some brass-colored material there. I > wonder > > > if it has been welded before. This stuff would not scrape off. > > > > > > I am attaching four pictures that show the break from different > > > angles > > > and will hopefully give you a pretty good idea what we're dealing > > > with. > > > > > > The broken tube sort of necks down to a rectangular shape and > that is > > > where the break is. > > > > > > I do not care about cosmetics here - the bike already looks like > > > trash. But it's a good bike (except for the broken frame). > > > > > > So you are tied up on Tuesday night - how about Wednesday night? > > > > > > And let me know your favorite beer or coffee or something I can > bring > > > as a thanks offering. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Brian > > > Bainbridge Island cel. number: 507-398-7836 > > > > > > On 7/23/07, Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I have a meeting tomorrow night but any time after that should > be > > > fine. > > > > I will be here next weekend as well. If you want to email me > some > > > > pics of the area just to be sure I think I can weld it that > might > > > save > > > > you a trip. > > > > > > > > My address is: > > > > 403 South Bay Rd NE > > > > Olympia, WA > > > > > > > > -Zach 360-789-2458 > > > > > > > > --- Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I can get scrapin'. > > > > > > > > > > I am on Bainbridge Island. After work during the week would > be > > > good > > > > > for me - earlier in the week perhaps. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe email me off-list and we can set up a time, if all > still > > > sounds > > > > > workable for you. > > > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > On 7/21/07, Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Where are you at? After work during the week is always > good or > > > > > maybe > > > > > > next weekend. I can get the rod as I need to head to the > > > welding > > > > > store > > > > > > to get tanks filled anyways. > > > > > > > > > > > > but its up to you to scrape the JBWeld and epoxy off of > that > > > > > sucker! > > > > > > ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > -Zach > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, I would tool on down there with my ol' bike in trunk > of > > > 240D > > > > > and > > > > > > > take you up on your offer if you're game. Name the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could try to get the type of rod that was mentioned > earlier > > > in > > > > > this > > > > > > > thread (I'll have to go back and re-read). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/21/07, Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in Olympia and I have a TIG welder if you want me > to > > > give > > > > > it a > > > > > > > > shot. There is also stevenson bikes downtown who is a > > > custom > > > > > frame > > > > > > > > builder, he would probably charge you though whereas I > will > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Zach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:05:59 -0700 > > > > > > > > > From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Welding Bicycle CroMoly Frames > > > > > > > > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > > > > > > > Message-ID: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > > > format=flowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you aren't one of the Washington crew? I am still > > > confused > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > everybody's from. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: > > > > > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > > > > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > > > > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: > > > > > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > > > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > > > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: > > > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: > > > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
