Sorry - my 1st sentence was missing a word or 2 - dan glide pad sometimes "wipes" across words and then deletes them. I intended to say <<Along with the electrical consumption req'd to make steel the power needed to make Aluminum is very high and, it's used in ever increasing amounts to save weight and increase mpg's>>\
Sorry - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > Along with the electrical consumption req'd to make steel is the power > needed to make Aluminum - used in ever increasing amounts to save weight > and > increase mpg's. Alum needs much more electricity than steel. The process > for making aluminum is fascinating IMHO, alumina poweder is mixed with > other > materials and heated to become liquid- impurities are removed and shapes > are > produced which are then worked into final products. Hmmm...I guess it;s > not > that much different from steel > smelting. ;-) But the electricity reqmnt's are *very* high. Recycling > old > alum cans draatically > reduces the amount of electricity needed, > > Later ya'll - > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 9:10 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > > >> How about manufacturing in general? Building new cars has to have a huge >> impact on the ecology and on our oil consumption, much more so than >> repairing and driving our old cars. >> >> And before someone mentions the fact that 80% of the steel is recycled, >> don't forget that it still takes mega-watts of electricity to re-melt and >> then to create the alloy needed for modern cars. Then you need to roll >> the >> steel into sheets, plate it with zinc, stamp it, etc, etc. >> >> And then there are all of the oil based plastic parts. But I guess that's >> OK >> because they are all coming from China? Isn't China's growth one of the >> elements driving the current oil crises? >> >> Thanks, >> Tom Hargrave >> www.kegkits.com >> 256-656-1924 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On Behalf Of Rich Thomas >> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:47 AM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids >> >> Then there is the whole battery nastiness issue -- manufacturing and >> disposal -- which is not negligible, but it is removed from view so you >> can "feel" better about driving the Prius. And how one "feels" about >> the issue is the most important aspect! >> >> --R >> >> LarryT wrote: >>> This was in a industry magazine I get called "Foriegn Car Parts & >>> Accessories" >>> A poll was conducted in UK recently evaluating peoples understanding of >>> emissions and modern diesels. 90% did not rate the current diesel >>> technology on a favorable standing with hybrids. The example used was >>> the >> >>> Mini D and the Prius - both have very nearly equal emission levels. >>> >>> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) >>> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >>> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >>> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >>> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >>> . >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: >> 11/8/2007 9:29 AM >> > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: > 11/8/2007 9:29 AM > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
