Hi Ed,  You wrote:<<Lets see what the near zero defect S looks like in 10
years.>>

I've always thought car evaluations  should be bsed on a car chosen at 
random with >100k miles on it.  A new car *should* be easy to build - but of 
course, it;s not.  A car with some miles on it is much more representative 
of a cars build quality.

But for those on this list that's pretty basic knowledge.  I do like the 
long term tests performed by some magazines as they are approaching real 
world - especially near the end of the term.

Take care --
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Porsche scraping along


> Na, I read other posts besides my own, I just try to avoid reading yours
> whenever possible.
>
> Defects are largely based on what people bring back and complain about.
> It's as much to do with owner expectations, as it is about a quality
> product.  Most guys how guy a new S Class are probably going to be a 
> little
> pickier than a guy who buys a Camry.
>
> As for the 993 being a zero defects car, it was far from that.  If you 
> think
> it is, go and buy the best one you can find and live with it for awhile.
> Blow an engine up a newer porsche, under warranty, and they won't even try
> to rebuild it, they'll just plug a new one in..   Nothing wrong with a
> Boxster, I've spend lots of time in them, but many of the parts look like
> they were supplied by IKEA, and some of the engineering, is just, well,
> crap!
>
> Porsche is making lots of money and stying healthy.  Good for them, just
> means I'll be more likely to be able to get factory parts of my old 
> beaters
> in the years to come.
>
> As for Mercedes, the new S550 also came out with near zero defects. 
> Having
> said that, most are probably leased for 3-4 years, so if dumping the car 
> in
> a few years, maybe the driver doesn't look as close as the guy 20 years 
> ago
> who wrote out the big cheque, and planned to live with the car for 15 
> years
> or 400,000 kms does.  Lets see what the near zero defect S looks like in 
> 10
> years.
>
> Ed
> 300E, and other stuff too.
>
> On 14/11/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> <<they just sent some guys to Japan to show them how to make them faster
>> and
>> cheaper. :-)>>
>>
>> Ed, this is what happens when all you read are your own posts.
>>
>> As I posted some time back, more than twelve years ago Porsche openly
>> hired a
>> Japanese consulting company to come in and redesign the factory (from the
>> "German" way of doing things) to lower costs and raise efficiency.
>>
>> As a result, production cost of the 993 was cut by a third and soon 
>> after,
>> the first zero defects car was built in the company's history. And today,
>> Porsche's profit per unit is the highest in the industry, worldwide.
>>
>> Which is also why I bought a new Mercedes instead of a Boxster or Cayman.
>>
>> RLE
>>
>>
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