Wife has one of the later ones with independent 4 wheel suspension, V6 and 4WD. It's great in the snow & ice. I can't even make a wheel spin - I tried! As soon as a wheel breaks loose, the ABS kicks in on that wheel only, transferring the torque to the other three.
As you can probably tell, we are "on road" Jeep people, which is why we prefer the Grand Cherokee. When I want to play off road, I borrow a friend's V8 powered XJ5. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ernest breakfield Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:30 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee i've got the same 4.0 engine in my XJ and the industry-favorite AW-4 trans (as most XJs seem to). i agree that the various Grands are probably a 'nicer' ride on paved highways than the XJs when both are in stock trim. most of the best places our XJ has taken us are not paved, though some of them are still called highways... and i paid $10K less for the XJ when new than what an approximately comparably equipped Grand would have cost at the time. i still don't think there's any good justification for the costs of the Grands, especially for what i wanted one to do; and they've gone quite a long way downhill in usability from what they started out as. while the earlier model Grands had better suspension with 4-corner coils instead of leafs in the rear like the XJ, the latest ones don't even have a pair of solid axles! if i didn't intend to use it in the Great Unpaved, i wouldn't have bought a J**p of any type, as i think there's still other vehicles out there that do a better job of what most people actually need. ;-) oMBZc: were i able to find an early LWB diesel 460 series G-Waggie in proper condition, i wouldn't hesitate a heartbeat to use it to replace both my XJ and my 300D. ;-) cheers! e Tom Hargrave wrote: > Each platform has its advantages and I agree that the Cherokee is a > superior off road vehicle. But the Grand Cherokee with the inline 6 is a > superior highway vehicle. > > Thanks, Tom > 256-656-1924 > > -----Original Message----- > From: "ernest breakfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: 12/10/07 7:44 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee > > actually, if you want to be technical about it, there's at least 3 > different versions of Grand Cherokees; the original ZJs, WJs, and the > (IIRC) WKs. all of them except for the first half of the first year of > the ZJs got the ChryCo trannys, and those early '93 ZJs with the 4.0L > straight-6 and AW4 tranny are highly coveted by people in the know. as > they progressed, they followed the same path most humans seem to; they > became heavier and less capable with an increasing biased taste towards > comfort and luxury vs. performance. ;-) > > frankly, i prefer my XJ Cherokee to any and all of the Grands, but i > > bought it knowing that it was only a platform on which to build a tool > to do what i really wanted to do on roads that may or may not be paved > and/or snow covered. it's been very acceptably cost-effective for that > and worked amazingly well at it, but hey, i've only put about 220K miles > > on mine so far,... ;-) > > > cheers! > e > > > Tom Hargrave wrote: > >> The Cherokee and Grand Cherokee are 2 vehicles built on 2 platforms. I >> would not own a Cherokee. >> >> The 6 cylinder engine in my Grand Cherokee is one of the best engines >> Chrysler built. They have records of thousands with over 300,000 miles >> in the clock. >> >> The transmission was Chrysler's weak point in the early 90s, but has >> > not > >> been an issue for years. I lost the transmission in my Grand Cherokee >> > at > >> 155,000 miles and I'm not complaining. >> >> Thanks, Tom >> 256-656-1924 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Diesel List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> Sent: 12/10/07 5:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee >> >> >> Other than the reliablity issue which is clearly a disaster you're >> already getting higher than the rated mileage on your Jeep and so >> > should > >> get higher with the diesel I'd think. >> I also regularly get higher than the rated both on my 190D and Dakota. >> In fact I did on my '88 GMC too. >> >> I've never driven a Grand Cherokee but my parents had a Cherokee and I >> hated it, worst 4x4 I've ever driven, my '88 GMC S15 ate it alive in >> > the > >> woods and for mileage and for comfort, and for handling. The 4.0 i6 >> > was > >> a powerful engine though. >> The folks have a pair of Liberties now and they sure don't impress me. >> Its not like I don't have anything to compare them to... >> >> -Curt >> >> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:01:24 -0600 >> From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee >> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> I drive a 01 Grand Cherokee with 170,000 miles on the clock & my Wife >> drives >> a 05 Grand Cherokee with 35,000 miles on the clock. Bash if you'd like >> but >> the Jeep Grand Cherokee is an excellent vehicle. >> >> I can't say the same for my oldest Son's M class, which had an engine >> rebuild at 85,000 miles........ >> >> And the diesel engine in the Grand Cherokee is the same one that's in >> the >> Mercedes. It's manufactured by a subsidiary in Italy. I don't drive a >> diesel >> Grand Cherokee because the cost per mile is less in my 01. I get 18 >> > MPG > >> in >> the city & 21 MPG on the highway with my in-line 6 cylinder engine. >> > The > >> diesel Grand Cherokee is rated at 21 / 25. >> >> Right now, Chrysler offering a lifetime warranty on all Jeep engines, >> except >> for the diesel. Why not the diesel? Because they don't expect the same >> reliability from the engine. Wife works for the company & I asked the >> right >> people. >> >> Thanks, >> Tom Hargrave >> www.kegkits.com >> 256-656-1924 >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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