Sure. Makes sense. I am talking about the longevity and lack of problems & maintenance worries associated with a manual.
brian On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:35 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sort of depends on what you are using the vehicle for etc. I have had a > number of each and I guess for the most > part if I have to choose I would go with an automatic. I wouldn't mind if > my 115 300D was a manual but I am happy > that my 02 Supercrew is not. Truck transmissions are generally not as much > fun as car manual transmissions. We have > the 98 F150 with a manual 5 speed and although it is alright, it is a bit > of a pain in traffic. It is only a 4.2 > V6 - the manual did not come with a V8 - and it is easy to bog it in 2nd > and the step down to low is too far to > work smoothly. > > Our old 4Runner, on the other hand will go way down in higher gears > without bogging - a real flat torque curve I > guess. It, for a truck, is a more drivable manual transmission. It is, > however, a dog in the first couple of gears. > Seems fine once moving but slow on takeoff. I have not driven the 2nd gen > Runner with an AT but I am told it is > even more of a dog. > > Personal preferences always, but the AT is easy and the older I get, the > more I like things that are easy. > > Randy > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 2:14 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] ATF Level Question > > > Thanks Jim, and others. Great info. I'll study it a few times to try to > remember it all and learn from it. > I did, however, think there might be a sort of standard knowledge of how > much the difference between the dipstick reading in a warm, running engine > and a cold, non-running engine is. > > I see how things can get a whole lot more complicated, though, after > reading > the response. > > I agree totally with whomever exclaimed that they hate ATs. I hate the > stuffing out of them to!!! > > Well, with one exception: The 727 Torqueflite behind my big block > Chrysler. > That model is known as "bulletproof". Never had a problem with one, and I > can say that as a foolish youth I have accidentally shifted to reverse at > maybe 30 mph. (not that I wouldn't make that mistake today). And I have > seen > many "neutral drop" from other idiots (most too young to drive). > > Brian > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 7:21 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Brian, > > > > the whole open area in the transmission will physically only hold about > 2 > > 1/2 quarts.? since your leak is probably at the torque converter seal, > air > > is getting in where the oil is leaking out.? This lets the torque > converter > > drain down into the trans case, which it normally doesn't accomplish for > > some time.? The torque converter holds about 2 1/2 quarts so about half > of > > that could find it's way back to the trans case fairly quickly! > > > > Given the above scenario is true, you could actually be aggravating > > (feeding) the leak by filling the trans to the full mark, which doesn't > > leave enough space??for the oil to drain down.? The level in the trans > case > > would?get high enough that it leaks out the tq seal, even with the > engine > > off!? Is that the case?? Does the oil continue to drip, long after the > > engine is shut off? > > > > I am sorry to answer your question with more questions, but here is one > > more.? Have you checked the vacuum line to the transmission modulator > for > > signs of oil?? a cracked modulator diaphragm can let trans fluid get > sucked > > into the engine, agravating your fluid loss. > > > > Marshall (RIP) has many times said to never fill in the oil to more than > > halfway between the add and the full lines.? He was mainly talking about > > engine oil, but I have seen automatic transmissions, filled to the > correct > > hot level, blow oil out the vent on a hard run up a long hill, or more > > likely, due to aeration of the fluid, caused by something as simple as a > > loose filter.? We are, after all, dealing? with a well used > transmission, > > and quirky things can happen. > > > > I would start by never adding more than 1/2 quart when the dipstick gets > > down to the add mark.? Lucas makes an additive for automatics which may > > swell that leaking seal.?? Try to observe the drip rate with fluid at > > different levels, with the engine off. > > > > Finally, never park with the front of the car down hill! > > > > Jim in Phoenx > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > Sent: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 5:46 am > > Subject: [MBZ] ATF Level Question > > > > > > > > > > Just checked the ATF earlier this evening on the 87 190D and found once > > again that the stick is dry. I assure you this pains me. But I'm > learning > > just how often I have to add fluid to the leaky tranny. Heaven forefend > > the > > wife would ever check it. > > And I pulled the dipstick again a few minutes ago with engine off and > > cooled > > down. I found that the fluid level is just a bit above the full line. > This > > all makes sense, but it reminded me of when I was dealing with the > seller > > out in California. He, a plastic surgeon (so not a totally stupid man) > was > > so sure that the trans fluid should be checked with the engine off. And > > when > > I showed him that the dipstick was dry with engine running, he said > "yes, > > that's how it should be. When you shut it off and check it, the level is > > right." I proceeded to show him in the manual where it states that the > > trans > > fluid should be checked with engine running and trans in "park". > > > > Question is: If the fluid level is just above the full line (the highest > > of > > the two marks on the dipstick) with the engine off and cool, how low is > > the > > transmission on fluid? > > > > The reason I ask this is that it is very difficult to achieve a clear > > reading on that dipstick. One side will have something approaching a > clear > > reading, and the other side will have fluid running half way up the > stick. > > I > > suppose checking the dipstick after adding fluid contributes to this > > problem, but even when I don't do that, it's still really hard to get a > > clear reading. > > > > Thanks, > > Brian > > 87 190D > > 83 240D > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
