Sure. Makes sense.
I am talking about the longevity and lack of problems & maintenance worries
associated with a manual.

brian

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:35 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sort of depends on what you are using the vehicle for etc. I have had a
> number of each and I guess for the most
> part if I have to choose I would go with an automatic. I wouldn't mind if
> my 115 300D was a manual but I am happy
> that my 02 Supercrew is not. Truck transmissions are generally not as much
> fun as car manual transmissions. We have
> the 98 F150 with a manual 5 speed and although it is alright, it is a bit
> of a pain in traffic. It is only a 4.2
> V6 - the manual did not come with a V8 - and it is easy to bog it in 2nd
> and the step down to low is too far to
> work smoothly.
>
> Our old 4Runner, on the other hand will go way down in higher gears
> without bogging - a real flat torque curve I
> guess. It, for a truck, is a more drivable manual transmission. It is,
> however, a dog in the first couple of gears.
> Seems fine once moving but slow on takeoff. I have not driven the 2nd gen
> Runner with an AT but I am told it is
> even more of a dog.
>
> Personal preferences always, but the AT is easy and the older I get, the
> more I like things that are easy.
>
> Randy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 2:14 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ATF Level Question
>
>
> Thanks Jim, and others. Great info. I'll study it a few times to try to
> remember it all and learn from it.
> I did, however, think there might be a sort of standard knowledge of how
> much the difference between the dipstick reading in a warm, running engine
> and a cold, non-running engine is.
>
> I see how things can get a whole lot more complicated, though, after
> reading
> the response.
>
> I agree totally with whomever exclaimed that they hate ATs. I hate the
> stuffing out of them to!!!
>
> Well, with one exception: The 727 Torqueflite behind my big block
> Chrysler.
> That model is known as "bulletproof". Never had a problem with one, and I
> can say that as a foolish youth I have accidentally shifted to reverse at
> maybe 30 mph. (not that I wouldn't make that mistake today). And I have
> seen
> many "neutral drop" from other idiots (most too young to drive).
>
> Brian
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 7:21 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Brian,
> >
> > the whole open area in the transmission will physically only hold about
> 2
> > 1/2 quarts.? since your leak is probably at the torque converter seal,
> air
> > is getting in where the oil is leaking out.? This lets the torque
> converter
> > drain down into the trans case, which it normally doesn't accomplish for
> > some time.? The torque converter holds about 2 1/2 quarts so about half
> of
> > that could find it's way back to the trans case fairly quickly!
> >
> > Given the above scenario is true, you could actually be aggravating
> > (feeding) the leak by filling the trans to the full mark, which doesn't
> > leave enough space??for the oil to drain down.? The level in the trans
> case
> > would?get high enough that it leaks out the tq seal, even with the
> engine
> > off!? Is that the case?? Does the oil continue to drip, long after the
> > engine is shut off?
> >
> > I am sorry to answer your question with more questions, but here is one
> > more.? Have you checked the vacuum line to the transmission modulator
> for
> > signs of oil?? a cracked modulator diaphragm can let trans fluid get
> sucked
> > into the engine, agravating your fluid loss.
> >
> > Marshall (RIP) has many times said to never fill in the oil to more than
> > halfway between the add and the full lines.? He was mainly talking about
> > engine oil, but I have seen automatic transmissions, filled to the
> correct
> > hot level, blow oil out the vent on a hard run up a long hill, or more
> > likely, due to aeration of the fluid, caused by something as simple as a
> > loose filter.? We are, after all, dealing? with a well used
> transmission,
> > and quirky things can happen.
> >
> > I would start by never adding more than 1/2 quart when the dipstick gets
> > down to the add mark.? Lucas makes an additive for automatics which may
> > swell that leaking seal.?? Try to observe the drip rate with fluid at
> > different levels, with the engine off.
> >
> > Finally, never park with the front of the car down hill!
> >
> > Jim in Phoenx
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Sent: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 5:46 am
> > Subject: [MBZ] ATF Level Question
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Just checked the ATF earlier this evening on the 87 190D and found once
> > again that the stick is dry. I assure you this pains me. But I'm
> learning
> > just how often I have to add fluid to the leaky tranny. Heaven forefend
> > the
> > wife would ever check it.
> > And I pulled the dipstick again a few minutes ago with engine off and
> > cooled
> > down. I found that the fluid level is just a bit above the full line.
> This
> > all makes sense, but it reminded me of when I was dealing with the
> seller
> > out in California. He, a plastic surgeon (so not a totally stupid man)
> was
> > so sure that the trans fluid should be checked with the engine off. And
> > when
> > I showed him that the dipstick was dry with engine running, he said
> "yes,
> > that's how it should be. When you shut it off and check it, the level is
> > right." I proceeded to show him in the manual where it states that the
> > trans
> > fluid should be checked with engine running and trans in "park".
> >
> > Question is: If the fluid level is just above the full line (the highest
> > of
> > the two marks on the dipstick) with the engine off and cool, how low is
> > the
> > transmission on fluid?
> >
> > The reason I ask this is that it is very difficult to achieve a clear
> > reading on that dipstick. One side will have something approaching a
> clear
> > reading, and the other side will have fluid running half way up the
> stick.
> > I
> > suppose checking the dipstick after adding fluid contributes to this
> > problem, but even when I don't do that, it's still really hard to get a
> > clear reading.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brian
> > 87 190D
> > 83 240D
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