Did you hear the answer given by the Shell guy when some senator said something about the oil companies operating in a "free and open market"? He said "It's not a free and open market, you won't allow drilling, new refineries, fewer gas blends, we are regulated to the hilt, no nuclear, yadayadayada. Bout time someone spoke up.
Harry On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:13 PM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Randy asked <<who knows the true cost of all that>> > > I guarantee the people who are in the business know exactly what that cost > is. > > BTW, the oil in Saudi (probably in other Mid east countries also - the oil > doesn't have to be pumped out of the ground - it comes out of the ground > under enough pressure to get it all the way to the ports where is shipped > via super tanker. > > At night in the desert the horizon is always alight with the glow of > natural > gas being burned off as it comes out with the gas - the 2 are always found > together and the gas is uch harder to transport than liquid oil. It (the > gas) is typically cooled until it become a gel (IIRC) where it can be > pumped > thru pipelines onto ships with special spherical tanks. > > You know? the more I think about it the madder I get thinking about > congress > giving the oil execs a hard time for doing their jobs! Sure they have > record profits! that's what they *should * aspire to do - after all, > thousands of people from suppliers to shareholders to employees *depend* on > these countries to do! Whenever the gov gets involved in ptivate business > they screw it up! All I want the gov to do is make sure there is no > collusion among companies - other than that it;s hands off.. when our > socialist candidate all talk about managing big oil profits I see nothing > but problems. we need a leader to create a energy plan that means > something > & might actually work - build refineries, build nuke power plants, > explore > & drill for oil in anwar & off all coasts, etc. > > but no, we hear about the fed making big oil give back some profits (I'd > like to hear what stockholders think about that - esp the ones who depend > on > dividends to live), etc-- > > bye -- I know - 'bout time - > > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > 800-583-8601 > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel price! > > > >I don't know as though it is fair to say it takes several barrels of oil > to > >make one barrel. There are issues in > > the sense that they use a fair amount of natural gas to heat the sand to > > get the oil out( steam is the issue I > > think so more likely heating the water to get the oil out of the sand). I > > think one of the bigger issues is the > > amount of water used and the amount of dirty water left behind. They need > > to find a better means of filtering and > > recycling the water to prevent polluting the area and to ensure they have > > sufficient water. > > > > I think there has been talk of nuclear plants to provide the energy too. > > > > Energy used as well to move the slurry out of northern Canada into the > USA > > to be refined - so who knows the true > > cost of all that? But, I guess hauling crude from other places in the > > world is not free either so always an issue. > > > > Randy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Robbins > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 9:15 AM > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel price! > > > > > > What I was getting at is there seems to be a net loss of oil there... I > > think most people are smart enough to realize that is a bad idea for > > making money. Now if it takes a barrel of oil to make 1.1 barrel from > > oil shale then there is still a net positive amount of oil. But 3 > > barrels of oil to get 1? That makes NO sense. > > > > > > R A Bennell wrote: > >> Unfortunately, "they" is YOU, as most of what comes out of Alberta goes > >> South. > >> > >> How much of your available fuel stock are you prepared to do without? > >> > >> Randy > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Robbins > >> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:40 PM > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel price! > >> > >> > >> Peter Frederick wrote: > >>> Horrible environmental mess and it takes several barrels of oil to > >>> produce one barrel from the shale.... > >> > >> Seems to me like they should stop getting oil from there then. > >> > >> John > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
