Actually, I believe it is the *margin* property that is set to 4 by default. My first action when making a group is to immediately "set the margins of <groupID> to 0".
Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Richard Gaskin
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 1:17 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: borderwidthSolution?: "effective rect"
>
>
> David Bovill wrote:
>
> > I think I may have missed a little of this thread, but I'd
> suggest that the
> > most important property to most people was the "visible
> rect". In other
> > words the user usually want the rect so they can position
> the borders to
> > line up visually with other objects.
> >
> > I haven't yet delved into the intricacies of the rect
> property so it would
> > really help me and probably other people on the list if
> someone could list
> > those properties that change the "visible rect" while
> keeping the "rect
> > according to Metacard the same. At the moment I end up
> fiddling around
> > adding or subtracting a couple of pixels from the resize
> handlers, until it
> > does what I want - hardly scientific -:)
> >
> > The first "gotcha" was with groups and borders - when you
> have a nice square
> > object with things inside it and you group them and try to
> position the
> > group... only to find it's positioned 4 pixels out, because of the
> > "invisible" default 4 pixel border. So I'll add that to the
> list as number
> > 1:
> >
> > 1) Group rect ‚ "visible rect" if margin ‚ 0 and showborder is off.
> >
> > 2) ?
>
> The resize issue reveals the problem with including the
> focuBorder in the
> rect: It simply requires rewriting every resize handler in
> everything you
> want to move to 2.4.
>
> As for groups, this has already been accounted for: the
> border property of
> groups is 4 by default. Set that to 0 and you're done.
>
>
> --
> Richard Gaskin
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