Hi List,
I had to dig a little deeper to investigate Adam's experience on the
hillside. I have a friend who works at Screech AFB. I contacted him to
go through the flight data recorders on the F 16's in Nevada. Here is
what he came up with out of Thunderjet 1. A lot of it is pretty garbled
but here is what he was able to interpret.
Vegas BLM office to Thunderjet 1. Thunderjet 1 to Vegas BLM office go
ahead. Thunderjet 1 we have reports of radio traffic in Sector 1. It is
possibly the meteorite men or that pesky meteorite hunter with his dog.
We want you to deviate from your current mission and go investigate. A
few seconds later. Thunderjet 1 to Vegas BLM office-
Vegas BLM to Thunderjet 1 go ahead. Thunderjet 1- I have the vehicles
in sight. It appears they are armed with magnet sticks. Do you want me
to engage? Thunderjet 1 that is negative. We want you to fly around
inconspicuously and monitor them. Roger 10-4 Thunderjet 1 monitoring. A
few seconds later. Vegas BLM office Thunderjet 1-It appears one of the
people on hillside are waving or making an obscene gesture. Do you wish
for me to engage? Vegas office to Thunderjet 1-that is negative. We
want you to return to base. We have bigger chickens to fry. Copy-
Thunderjet 1 over and out.
All kidding aside, the Air Force jets have been buzzing people in rural
areas in Nevada for as long as I can remember. We have relatives in
Central and Northern Nevada who have experienced the jets flying so low
over their ranches that it shook their homes. We have witnessed C 130's
landing on dry lake beds (imagine the dust clouds) and military planes
flying at all hours. It is not uncommon to see the jets flying in
remote areas doing dog fights, sending out flares, etc. I think this is
something that us folks that have been in Nevada for several
generations have gotten used to.
Sonny
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Hupe <raremeteori...@yahoo.com>
To: Adam <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 12:21 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix
We were at least 40 miles away from the nearest military installation
that I
know of. Maybe I misinterpreted the jet flyby but it looked deliberate
to me.
Possibly the pilot turned his head to watch the mountain side as he
blasted by
us. In any case, it startled our group while climbing a steep incline
and
somebody could have easily lost their footing and been injured so I
don't see
the humor in it. We did not see or hear a jet all day and to have one
buzz our
exact location seems more than a coincidence to me. The surrounding
rock was
hotter than our body heat so I am sure thermal imaging is not what gave
our
location away.
It is all fun and games until all of your rights have been trampled on
or
vanished completely. If you think it is alright to have a government
spy on its
citizenship then you need to go back to school and learn history. Our
founding
fathers would be extremely upset by this who gives a crap attitude.
People seem
to forget that the government is here to serve us and not the other way
around.
We are loosing rights every day. In the last 15 years I have seen over
half the
searchable land off limits or seriously restricted to meteorite
hunting. Pretty
soon, only private property will be available and that too will soon be
off
limits judging from the way a few meteorite hunters have treated
landowners.
Just go to Kansas and ask how many farmers are willing to work with
meteorite
hunters?
If you don't see the problem, then you are part of it,
Adam
________________________________
From: Michael Farmer <m...@meteoriteguy.com>
To: James Beauchamp <falco...@sbcglobal.net>
Cc: Adam Hupe <raremeteori...@yahoo.com>; Thunder Stone
<stanleygr...@hotmail.com>;
Adam <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix
Are you sure? Obama has the BLM on his desktop speed dial waiting for
that
chance to order missiles free on meteorite hunters. He is tapped in by
NSA
computers to your wristwatches. You are only safe if you use an 1890s
or before
pocket watch.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 4, 2013, at 8:45 PM, James Beauchamp <falco...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
LOL, seriously, if the pilot saw you guys and did a maneuver, it was
out of
showing off and fun. Far from any malice.
As a former aircrew guy, and recently retired from a 23 year air
force career,
I promise you they could care less about rock collectors. There isn't
enough
training time - especially in the last five years - to go around. They
are
extremely busy trying to check the boxes - either test cards or the
weapon
school / Red Flag scenario at hand. They are concentrating on the
mission, the
aircraft systems, and things in the air that [if not watched carefully]
can kill
them. That list includes other airplanes, drones, birds, things
falling off the
airplane, engines a few degrees from alloy melting points, and
ridgelines that
like to smack pilots that don't pay attention.
They have to do all this, and accomplish an over-loaded task list
with just
enough in the tanks to land with a couple of thousand pounds of reserve
fuel.
Like an over-tasked soccer mom with 1000 kids in the back of the
mini-van,
they are concentrating on much more serious things than people waling
around on
the desert floor :)
--- On Thu, 7/4/13, Thunder Stone <stanleygr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Thunder Stone <stanleygr...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix
To: "James Beauchamp" <falco...@sbcglobal.net>, "Adam Hupe"
<raremeteori...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Adam" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thursday, July 4, 2013, 10:08 PM
I've had jets fly low while meteorite
hunting and thought it was really cool... never thought
anything negative about it at all.
GregS
-----Original Message-----
From: James Beauchamp
Sent: 5 Jul 2013 02:27:13 GMT
To: Adam Hupe
Cc: Adam
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix
The pilot of the F-18 really wasn't concerned about you, the
little specks on the ground. Worse case, he was doing
his (or her) normal training route, saw some people and
decided to give you a small air show out of fun. You
got a cool treat from an aviator, not a scare tactic.
They have enough on their plate monitoring the aircraft
systems and staying on schedule. Posse commitatus is
still strongly enforced.
A lot of you are freaking out over non-existent
boogeymen. What you should be asking
yourselves is what really led to the BLM policy. As a
lurker on this list for a couple of years, I've noticed a
few of you, through your arrogance and willingness to
disregard existing laws and regulations, probably
contributed directly to the change. Those of us trying
to take the high road have to suffer.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 4, 2013, at 19:21, Adam Hupe <raremeteori...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
One more thing of interest.
Our group consisting of my wife, Zann von Hupe, Dr. Ted
Bumch and myself were literately in the middle of nowhere
here in Nevada on a mountain side and were buzzed by an F-18
jet. The pilot turned the jet sideways, matched our
altitude and hit his afterburners just to let us know that
he knew we were there. He flew so close to us that we
could see his helmet and face-shield as he turned his head
to get a better look at us.
My question is; what device gave up our position?
No, we were not doing anything wrong and Dr. bunch was
extremely angry about being buzzed so close because it
startled all us and we could have lost our footing on the
steep slopes.
Adam
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