Can we see again the pictures which you indicated a fusion crust and flow lines? Cheers, Pete
---------------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:14:03 -0700 > From: cdtuc...@cox.net > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; petersche...@rcn.com; > mary.kash...@verizon.net > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Iron Meteorite Axe ID > > Hi John , list, > With all due respect, I recently added a few pictures which verify that IMHO > this is A shape that is known in antiquity Meteoric iron of Naukratis Egypt > C. BC400-400AD. Which is interesting because the lady was guessing that she > recalled it was from Egypt but she could not remember for sure. This link was > sent to me by Piper Hollier and as you can see it is a match to a hoe, of > coarse a hand held AXE would not require both sides of the hoe as does the > example pictured But is the shape correct? You be the judge! . see pictures > again, The axe passed the nickel allergy test with flying colors. (mainly > bright strawberry red). Thanks > Carl > http://www.flickr.com/photos/13030...@n07/?saved=1 > > > > .---- Kashuba wrote: >> List, >> >> This is not the shape of a tool made to hack, throw, push or pull. The shape >> of the "blade" and the location of mass is wrong. Further, a people that was >> short of iron would not have made an implement with a solid handle. >> >> I suggest this is a bar scarffed to be joined by welding to a similarly >> scarffed bar to form a corner for some structural application. It might even >> be part of such a joint that has failed and has been cut away from reusable >> stock. >> >> The nickel test should be enlightening. >> >> - John >> >> John Kashuba >> Ontario, California >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Peter >> Scherff >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:38 PM >> To: cdtuc...@cox.net; 'meteoritelist' >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Iron Meteorite Axe ID >> >> Hi Carl, >> When a meteorite is heated and worked any widmanstatten pattern is usually >> destroyed. So the lack of a pattern won’t prove anything. >> I am somewhat skeptical as to your objects origin. My skepticism arises out >> of the shape of the handle. From the photos the handle portion appears to >> have a round cross section. That makes me think that the object was forged >> from an iron rod. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Peter >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cdtuc...@cox.net [mailto:cdtuc...@cox.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:43 PM >> To: Peter Scherff; meteoritelist >> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Iron Meteorite Axe ID >> >> Peter, >> I purchased this at an estate sale in Tucson and all the lady told me was >> that >> her late husband told her it was made of "meteor" and was a weapon from Egypt >> used for killing and not for kitchen use. ( good words to help sell? Maybe!) >> I deal in antiques so, I know there is always a story but the story does not >> always match the facts. I did try to acid etch the polished end and it dulls >> evenly except is small circles where it stays very shiny. No Widmanstatten or >> Newman lines. It still has a decent edge as well. >> I am being told that ASU has an AXE from Toluca so I am going to try and >> find a >> pic but I have not seen it yet. Thank you. >> Carl >> >> ---- Peter Scherff wrote: >>> Hi Carl, >>> The photos of the iron object you posted are interesting. Perhaps we could >>> give you more information if you could tell us why you think that the >>> object is prehistoric, why it is meteoritic and why it is an ax? >>> Thanks, >>> Peter Scherff >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >>> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of >>> cdtuc...@cox.net >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:38 PM >>> To: Jack Schrader; meteoritelist >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Iron Meteorite Axe ID >>> >>> Thank you Jack, >>> Does anyone have any photos of Toluca tools they could share? Any other >>> thoughts about Toluca as a sour se of this axe? If from Toluca would that >>> make this a possible Mayan or Aztec culture or would you simply say >>> Pre-Columbian artifact? Thank you. >>> >>> ---- Jack Schrader wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Carl. My guess would be that it is a Toluca or Xiquipilco meteorite. >>>> This meteorite is known by both names as it was discovered in the Toluca >>>> Valley of Xiquipilco Mexico in 1776. This meteoritic iron was well known >>>> to the early settlers in the area and they used the iron they found to >>>> make many of their common everyday tools. Nininger documented a number of >>>> tools made from this same iron when he visited the area and began >>>> collecting the meteorites from the locals. Best wishes, Jack >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: "cdtuc...@cox.net" >>> To: meteoritelist >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:21:33 PM >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Iron Meteorite Axe ID >>> >>> List, >>> Please forgive me. I had some old photos I forgot to delete. What I am >>> looking for is the correct age and culture of this antique Axe made of >>> meteorite iron. Thanks Carl >>> >>>> List, >>>> Can anyone help me identify the age and origin of this meteorite Iron Axe. >>>> Weighs 3.5 pounds. and is over 6 inches long. >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/13030...@n07/?saved=1 >>>> >>>> Carl Esparza >>>> IMCA 5829 >>>> Meteoritemax >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ One at a time or all at once? 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