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By: Jeffrey E. Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Flavio Stanchina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On: Saturday, February 17, 2001, 7:44:48 PM
Re: [Miami] Re: Miami(DX) Time bug?
Hi Jeffrey,
>>>> the kinds of things that Holgar could do for Miami if he wanted to
>>>> continue making updates........ but given his continued absence from
>>>> this mailing list..............
>> I understand not wanting to have to explain to REBOL why he was
>> receiving non-REBOL mail.....
> I doubt that his employers were unaware of his involvement with his line
> of Amiga products
I wasn't thinking so much about knowing about his past, but probably
preferring his first loyalty being to them. It's also the sort of thing
that makes a company concerned about internal security. In general.
>> There's no "obligation" for an author to supply personal support,
>> anyway....
> I respectfully disagree. In all cases, I believe there is a moral
> obligation for a software publisher, whether it is one person or a huge
> company, to support their products.
On principle, I feel the same way as you. I was referring to actual
obligations, rather than moral ones. If there's something wrong with
something I bought, I expect some redress about it.
However access to pick someone's brains on other technicalities isn't
something I expect, however much I'd value it.
>> It's certainly a user's fault if they lose their registration details,
>> so no author "has" to provide that sort of support (which is the other
>> common complain we hear about).
> We have discussed this before, and I think have come to that consensus.
> However, I merely point out that in the past, Holgar did this too, even if
> he had no obligation to do so. Again choices - he chose to do it before,
> and he has chosen not to do it now.
I'd point out that because an extra service used to be available, doesn't
mean it always will.
>> I dare say that the few sales he might make, from personal contact,
>> probably don't amount to /that/ much, that a person might feel inclined to
>> make themselves available in that manner. Although, I can't see it being
>> all too much effort to receive a cheque in the post, and send a disk or
>> registration code key back. But many authors refuse to do such things.
>> Though, you'd expect him to want to keep the automatic systems (credit
>> card purchases over the net, etc.), still running. He did fix up the
>> mailing list, after it failed.
> Well, once the system is up and running, the marginal cost of issuing new
> licenses is small compared to the income derived from issuing new licenses
> *grins*. And again, the fact that he fixed the mailing list would tend to
> indicate he has not completely abandoned his Amiga products.
I don't know about that. I've made enquiries about that sort of thing,
for myself, before. And for me to offer electronic fund payment services,
I'd be looking at paying some company $30 a month, or more (some won't
even touch you, unless you have a substantial turnover). I know that
payment by cheque can be quite expensive in some places, particularly
where currency conversions have to take place.
>>> Yesterday I was browsing www.jschoenfeld.com (Individual Computers in
>>> Germany, makers of the X-Surf Ethernet board) and noticed interesting
>>> news from Jan 24, 2001: Jens has received a stock of registered
>>> MiamiDx packages to be bundled with the X-Surf.
> I looked at the website, and all it says (under the news link) is that
> they will bundle MiamiDX licenses with X-Surf. There is nothing there
> (and nothing on globalnordic's website, BTW) indicating there is
> anything new in the MiamiDX version with X-Surf. Certainly, if one has
> a functional product and someone comes to a publisher and asks to buy a
> number of licenses, it is hard to see how that publisher would say no
> *grins*.
Depending on who's point of view (Holgers, other people, whatever), some
consider Miami to certainly be of a saleable condition. Remembering that
no software is perfect, but Miami does seem to be better than a lot of
things I've used.
>> We've seen the post that was sent here explaining that he didn't want
>> mails there, and why. Oddly enough, he didn't post it himself, but had
>> it relayed here (by someone else). He did stick a post about it on his
>> web site, which seems (to me) more effort than would be required to
>> post it here, too.
> That is what I find curious. Relayed to this mailing list through a third
> party. Posted on his website. I just went and looked on Nordicglobal,
> and did not see it there, although I was not particularly looking for it.
I find it curious too. Then again, maybe he did, but it failed to arrive,
and he never noticed. There could be a plethora of reasons why. Though,
I suppose the message's more believable on his own web site.
I found it once, the last time I looked, I couldn't, today I have. If you
go to the web site, go to the news section (there's a link at the bottom
of the opening page), and there's a link in the Sept 1st, 2000 news, about
technical problems. Here's the direct link.
http://www.nordicglobal.com/delays.txt
> It is hard to know what to think here. When I started this thread, my
> point was there are areas that Holgar could certainly improve
> Miami/MiamiDX in, and nothing seems to be happening with regard to
> updated versions. Are they functional products? Absolutely. Do they
> still have some problems? Definitely, as I and others have posted here.
> Is there room for improvements in the products, and would we like
> updates to the sofware? I think most of us would say yes.
You could probably say that about anything. At least we've got a fairly
reliable product to use, at the moment.
> I wish Holgar would state his future plans for Miami/MiamiDX.
I would guess two things: Either he's had enough, or is undecided.
Perhaps no news /is/ good news.
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