Regarding #1, that's what government does.  It collects funds from the
populous and redistributes them to other members of the populous, some times
spending that money on people that aren't even members of the collective
(foreigners).  The unintended consequences of this program are yet to be
known, but I suspect that some mechanics will have less work.  It appears
that all that they have done is moved forward a lot of purchases so there's
a spike, but the number of total units will be the same.  It doesn't appear
that really poor people are taking advantage of this, and that's probably
good, since there is a definite cost of going from a vehicle that's almost
certainly paid for and switching over to having a car payment and higher
insurance and registration costs (hopefully offset by lower fuel costs).
Regarding #2, there's an implied premise in there, which is that these cars
are actually worth something, and that's not always the case.  A false
premise equals a false conclusion, but for the sake of argument, I'll agree
that not all of these "clunkers" were destined for destruction.  However,
for the two vehicles that I personally know of (father-in-law and
co-worker), the cars were barely running, requiring hundreds of dollars of
repairs every month and were worth literally nothing as a trade in, except
for scrap.  These cars were going to be destroyed by their owners by selling
them to salvage yards for scrap.  Instead, they get $4500 for them and they
haven't destroyed any wealth or value.  If we get 750,000 bad cars off the
road (US government's estimate), what is the price impact on the other 234.5
million potential used cars (wolframalpha, number of registered cars in the
US)?  That's 0.3% of the total car market.  Are we seriously arguing over
the effect of 0.3%?  I contend that there will be plenty of used cars
available after this, approximately 233.7 million, in fact.  I'm sure needy
families will be able to find good deal from that pool.

However, what it has done is drive up the cost of NEW cars, though this cost
increase is still largely offset by the CARS program.

So, the government has decided to give your money to the automakers but has
let the American public decide how to spend it, and the American people have
decided to direct most of that money to foreign auto makers (largely because
the domestic automakers don't have enough qualifying product).  It's
democracy in action, and it's messy.

Mark

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Martin Eby <[email protected]> wrote:

> At 02:57 PM 8/10/2009, Mark Cookson wrote:
>
> There are two effectively independent pieces to Cash-For-Clunkers..
>
> 1) Giving folks $4500 to buy new, more efficient car
>
> 2) Having the dealer to destroy old, less efficient cars.
>
> Regarding (1)
> a) The money comes from taxes.  The government has created nothing -- it
> has only decided for us that $4500 we might have chosen to spend on
> education, food , health care, or even, perhaps, more fuel efficient new
> cars will be spent on more fuel efficient new cars.  Auto workers end up
> with more of our money, teachers, farmers, and nurses with less.
> b) What happens when the artificial stimulus ends and all the people who
> would otherwise need new cars already have them?  The  immediate benefit of
> the program is apparent, but the inevitable consequence is just as apparent.
>
> Regarding (2)
> Needless destruction of wealth is always, always, always bad economics.
> In this case the reduction in serviceable used cars and used engines will
> drive up the price of those items. Hence this program raises cost for the
> most economically disadvantaged -- those who cannot afford new cars and new
> engines.  How many large families (who need a big car) won't be able to
> afford it and so stay with their even more inefficient even older big car?
>
> M.
>
>
>
>
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