Seriously, based in Washington, D.C. ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Alec Taylor <alec.tayl...@gmail.com>wrote: > The English language is dead. > > Long live Logban[1] > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logban > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Tomas Bodzar <tomas.bod...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Daniel Villarreal > > <yclwebmas...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:54 AM, Tomas Bodzar <tomas.bod...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> ... > >>> > I wonder if the Lemote would consider extending the company's offer > of a > >>> > system to those willing to contribute to the Lemote application > platform to > >>> > OpenBSD >developers.... http://dev.lemote.com... > >>> > >>> A lot of projects happy with GNU/Linux because of some reasons which > >>> mostly don't apply at all. > >> > >> Yes. Maybe they use it because they're comfortable with it. Maybe they > use > >> it because it's perceived as being multi-lingual, or even that it's just > not > >> hostile to their language, or whatever. > > > > Or maybe because they think that it's free. It doesn't matter in fact. > > > >> > >> > >>> Given that Lemote wishes to mass-produce computers for the rural people > of > >>> China, they would also need lots of servers. Any chance of producing a > >>> multi-lingual installer >? > >> > >>> OpenBSD is not targeted to typical users (but it can be prepared for > use > >>> for those users). De facto standard language in system administration > is > >>> English so why to have installer in different language? Especially one > which > >>> is mostly about hitting enter only. In running system after install you > can > >>> have any of the most used languages either for keyaboard only in > console or > >>> complete apps in X. > >> > >> Good point. I don't know if English-speaking "typical" users are > equivalent > >> to Chinese "typical" users. Do a study on foreigners earning advanced > >> science and mathematics degrees in the U.S. > > > > I suppose that their classes related to IT are in English ;-) But I'm > > not from US so maybe I'm wrong. > > > >> > >> What I'm getting at when I discuss language in this list isn't to > aggravate > >> people who think the world must conform to their strict interpretation > of > >> English. They're a lost cause, anyway... > >> > >> http://www.oed.com/public/oed3 > >> "Every three months the entire OED database is republished online, with > new > >> words added for the first time and older entries revised according the > >> exacting standards of modern historical lexicography." > > > > Sure a lot of changed when I was visiting school, a lot of new rules > > and other stuff which I don't know about, but it's not stopping me in > > conversation. And I don't care if someone is doing bugs in English or > > my language or any other as long as we can understand each other. I > > can understand that people which don't have English as mother language > > can have issues with that. Probably same as I will have issues with > > Chinese or whatever. > > > >> > >> Ultimately Theo decides what is used in OpenBSD and I get that. I get > your > >> point about the install being easy, and I agree, but this goes way > beyond > >> that. This is about the big picture. I'm not asking Theo and the > developers > >> to *switch* to Chinese, or Afrikaans, or anything of the sort. I'm > merely > >> trying to get people to think and consider about the implications of > people > >> wanting to use the best software possible for servers and give them an > >> opportunity to work with the OpenBSD foundation. Isn't it important to > give > >> people a reason to want to work with you? Including people is very > >> important. If the Chinese were willing to go through so much trouble to > >> arrive at an excellent low-power consumption computing platform, why > >> *wouldn't* they want the very best operating system, especially for > >> servers? > > > > Ah time for funny links ;-) > > > > http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=125295040219808&w=2 > > (quite long, but worth of it) > > > > http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=125320519308891&w=2 > > (EXCELLENT) > > > > For short: > > > > Attempting to prove the worth of OpenBSD to folks who are not able to > > figure things out for themselvs is much like trying to teach butterflies > > Calculus. > > > > It doesn't work and wastes your time. > > > > --STeve Andre' > > > > Why this? Because in old times when most of the people thought that > > Earth is plain if you tried to give people opportunity to think that > > Earth is not plain (OpenBSD is better or whatever) you ended in flames > > ;-) Most of the people is lazy, so much lazy that even GUI is too much > > complicated for them and without small blue E on the desktop they are > > not able to use Internet. On the other side there are people which are > > 90 or so and are able to use any Unix which you will show them just > > because they are not lazy. That's why there's so low number of people > > which are genius like Theo which are able to bring fresh ideas and > > solutions to things which every other person do as others just because > > others do that so it must be right. > > > >> > >> I've always wondered if the Chinese thought that learning English was > >> trivially easy. As much as I would like to ask a Chinese that, I realize > >> that it's not a polite thing to ask. That's not the point. What makes > you > >> think they need English speakers to translate? Maybe the OpenBSD > Foundation > >> has everything to gain by being more receptive to more foreign > languages. > > > > What? Polite? What's bad on asking some Chinese how hard is English > > for them? Did people lost freedom to ask something? I can ask someone > > if you want. > > > > Who said that Chinese need English speakers to translate? OpenBSD > > foundation is based in Canada. What's official language in Canada? ;-) > > Anyway it's bussines related organization and even in business Chinese > > use English, even people from India, Japan, Scandinavia or whatever. > > > > > >> > >> Is it possible that the OpenBSD Foundation might appeal to more people > the > >> world over just by indicating a willingness to cooperate? I wonder if > Theo > >> has travelled to China and I wonder if he speaks other languages. > > > > Not sure if China has enough mountains, but if there was not some BSD > > conference then it's his private stuff for sure if he was in China or > > not. BTW eg. www.openbsd.org was for some time in Chinese, but it's > > community project so it needs people which want to do translations in > > their free time and probably she/he doesn't have enough of that so > > Chinese version is not available right now. Curious why so rich man > > doesn't have foundation page in Chinese ;-) > > http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Pages/home.aspx > > > >> > >> > >>> > >>> For sure you're free to provide patches for multilingual installer as > >>> long as it will be able to fit one floppy only (want to see that > >>> because of need for UTF ;-)). > >>> > >>> > > >>> > Daniel Villarreal > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> PS: I'm not from English speaking country and my mother language is not > >>> English > >> > >> Even without touching the installer, you've already have several > languages > >> represented at openbsd.org, so why not add more to the web site, just > that > >> alone would be a big boost ? > > > > Do your homework before post ;-) > > http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/www/ > > As you can see there is/was a lot of translations of OpenBSD, but it's > > volunteer project focused on quality and it apply to translations as > > well so if someone doesn't follow this rules because of any reason > > then that translation is not used. > > > >> > >> Sincerely, > >> Daniel Villarreal
