> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 08:31:15 -0500 > From: Nick Holland <n...@holland-consulting.net> > > On 11/28/21 6:17 PM, Alexander wrote: > ... > > Lastly: From your emails it seems to me that the use of sysclean after > > upgrading is very much encouraged if not necessary. Then why is it not > > included in base (especially when it's developed by OpenBSD developers)? > > Or am I misunderstanding the requirements for inclusion of packages in > > base? > > VERY WRONG (as others have said). > > I've been using OpenBSD since v2.4, I have never run a "clean up" tool of > any kind. I reinstall only when replacing hardware, the rest of the time, > I run upgrades, I run snapshots and update frequently so I get a lot of > old files piling up at times. And they just don't matter. > > Occasionally, I have manually deleted old libraries when I have > run a system too long and an old HD starts getting tight on space > > [...] > > Using an automatic cleanup tool is far more likely to CAUSE problems > than to fix problems. I'm not saying they /often/ cause problems, > but since old files laying around basically never cause problems other > than a small amount of space, there's some risk and almost no gain. > Thanks Nick. That makes sense to me and is/was already my approach. I was mainly just curious to double-check with find(1) when I saw that notice on current.html. I was not actively looking to free up space, as me previously not even knowing that sysclean even exists might also suggest ;) But good to read another account on the OS's stability, thank you. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 22:58:38 -0700 (MST) > From: Theo de Raadt <dera...@cvs.openbsd.org> > > >These files are still part of xshare70 set, and should not be > >removed. There are part of xorgproto (xenocara/proto/xorgproto). > > > >> Lastly: From your emails it seems to me that the use of sysclean after > >> upgrading is very much encouraged if not necessary. Then why is it not > >> included in base (especially when it's developed by OpenBSD developers)? > >> Or am I misunderstanding the requirements for inclusion of packages in > >> base? > > ^^^^^^^ > WRONG. Deleting old files is DISCOURAGED -- because we do > not have tooling to discover if a user has built their own > private programs which require those files. I am actually > getting a bit tired of (1) people overly worried about old > files (2) who don't recognize they can always reinstall and > (3) that we (OpenBSD) are not able to determine what to delete > any better than you the user.
Thanks for making this very clear, makes sense that you can't deal with every weird non-standard installation. I hadn't thought of that before. But again not worried here, I was just a bit surprised when I stumbled over those original *dmx* files. As for reinstalling: Sure, I'm not really worried about my system, my (tested) backup scheme is working beautifully and reinstalling takes about as long as brewing a cup of coffee. But I would always like to avoid it when possible, especially when I can learn something about my system and how it works/is designed in the process. Best regards, Alexander
