[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Theo de Raadt wrote:
And they will NEVER receive as many dmesg's as we do, because our
we promise privacy...
There's no middle ground.
Our developers never look at those, so they do not serve our purposes.
We don't want to distract our users from sending in reports which
actually serve our developers, and thus make better code.
Sorry, but I do not agree with your direction on this.
VERY OFTEN we do not document something because it hurts other
things.
i follow your point on privacy. but not the latter part (isn't this
exactly what you/we are concerned about from vendors - lack of
disclosure of useful information, due to "hurting commercial interests"?
more to the point, i wish to buy "stuff that works well" under openbsd,
& clearly this is linked to the policies of vendors on disclosure, and
developer interest.
now if i can only guess at equipment that was fully documented, &
followed up with support for the developers, then how can i allow my $$
to reward vendors with those policies, that help you write better code
that we enjoy using?
if i follow you correctly -
#1 there's a strict requirement for privacy for dmesg@ - fair enough.
i've sent a line to nick@ to clarify this in the FAQ as i've not seen it
mentioned elsewhere.
#2 you don't want to suggest to people that they can _also_ send a dmesg
somewhere else as this might confuse them, & you won't get bug reports.
i would hope somebody able to file the bug reports you ask for is able
to manage CC'ing a dmesg to somewhere else as well without getting lost
on the way.
if I can't easily identify "stuff that works well" then I end up
spending 500$ on a mobo destined for dust-ware, instead of on your
admittedly great OS. & since my first CD was a 2.8 one, i'm loath to
waste my money on junk kit that doesn't run well on openbsd.
the http://www.openbsd.org/i386.html page doesn't include any info on
motherboards, although it does cover the peripheral side pretty well.
i'd be happy enough with a few notes on mobos that work here - but where
would i as a user go to get this information? if you think it's our
business to send in updates for this page, i'll do so - but i think i am
not a good person to tell when a mobo is fully supported, or if the h/w
vendor was helpful.
if you stick to refusing #2, well, as always, it's your OS, & your call
as developers. but i think that you are reducing your support base if
there is no reference point for "stuff that works well".
a+
scorch
