On Feb 13, 2008 2:12 PM, bofh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Feb 12, 2008 9:47 PM, Darren Spiteri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Firewalls that have proxy software operate as both client and server.
>
>
> This is now going into the silly place.  David Higgs told you what is the
> definition of network performance used.  Why continue on insisting that
> yours is the one true way?  By your definition, since my "firewall" has
> posfix running on it too, a firewall is a mailserver too.  And since I have
> inn running on it, a firewall is a news server too?  A firewall inspects and
> routes traffic (unless you're cisco, whose firewall can't route).  The fact
> that *YOU* choose to add applications to it, and was measuring application
> network performance, which is separate and distinct from pure network
> performance is _your_ issue.  However, you don't get to redefine what's a
> firewall.

Now we're just getting into semantics. It is not uncommon for a
firewall to operate on layer 7, even with OpenBSD, considering that an
essential component of PF is ftp-proxy. What you call a firewall I
call a screen-router.

There is a world of difference between a proxy and something like an
MTA, unless you're using the MTA as a hardened forwarder to protect
your internal. A machine with inn could never be classified as
anything but a honeypot.

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