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On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Davis Family <darlingdavisfam...@gmail.com>wrote: > I have scene several muslim groups speak out about it, but it doesn't make > the news, because THAT is not the result desired. > > Tom, you know all about propaganda and it being used to conform the masses > to accept behavior or have more of a willingness to allow trampling of > rights. > > I assure you, if you went to Palestine, you would hear of stories of crazy > Jews attacking them. If you went to Israel you hear about crazy > Palestinians... If you go to a black neighborhood you hear about those > white cops... > > And many nations have wondered why WE silently stand by and let our > CHRISTIAN nation kill so many people all over the world, and occupy their > nations and appoint their options for who they vote for. We are not as > silent as we appear... but the propaganda machines would let them continue > to believe that. So, they will hate us. > > And if they wanted us gone already, then we would be, Christianity is the > smallest religion out of the major 3. Islam practically fills the earth, > they or the Chinese for that matter could just walk on in with swords and > beat us with the sheer numbers. > > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Tom Martz <t.ma...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Not being one who is afraid to call a spade a spade, I'll wade into this >> conversation. At this current juncture in our history the only individuals >> who have been attacked militarily has been via Muslim extremist. I'm not >> aware of any Jew, or you name the religious sect taking up arms and killing >> thousands of our people unless you include Congress. Are most Muslims >> extreme ? probably not however when a religious nut murders an abortion >> doctor the religious come out in droves to condemn the senseless act of >> violence being perpetrated on another individual. This does NOT occur in >> the Muslim community which gives me the sense that they endorse what has >> transpired. Silence by its own omission is the act of complacency to an >> action. If one does not speak up for government waste then they endorse >> that action through their own inaction. It is much the same within the >> Muslim community. Through there silence they have told me what occurred in >> Ft Hood was something they condone, and YES this is one American who is >> ready to say we've had enough get your ASSES back where you belong until >> such time as you can play within the confines of our American sandbox. >> Perhaps what we need to do is smear this guy with pig oil and incinerate >> him and let every Muslim know this will occur to any other senseless attack >> on any American. >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Jeremy D. Young < >> jeremydyo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >>> >>> Would you be more comfortable with: >>> >>> "Yeah! Nuke the Middle East! Blow up every last one of those blasted >>> muslims! How dare they attack us!?" >>> >>> There's only a billion of them... If they were both militant and >>> competent, don't you think we'd all be under the sword already? They >>> would have formed into armies and invaded all of the nations around them. >>> >>> There are Muslim Militants. I don't think they're competent enough to >>> be feared. >>> >>> http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/11/john_mueller_on_1.html >>> http://www.downsizedc.org/etp/campaigns/77 >>> >>> There are Muslims who are not militants. Hundreds of Millions of them. >>> More non-militant Muslims in the world than there are Americans. >>> >>> The enemies are those that would use fear to take away our freedom. >>> Fear of Economic Collapse, Fear of Terrorism, etc. Terrorism doesn't >>> work if we refuse to be afraid. >>> >>> This country was founded on the principles of Freedom. Particularly >>> freedom of Religion. Who are you to say that a particular religion is >>> unacceptable? >>> >>> Individuals, especially citizens of the United States of America, still >>> have First, Fifth, and Sixth amendment rights. If they commit a crime, >>> they should be judged for their actions, not their membership of some >>> group or label. >>> >>> Any individual that opens fire and kills numerous people should be tried >>> by jury and, if found guilty, punished in the same manner whether >>> Christian, Muslim, White, Black, Arab, etc. >>> >>> If you don't have rights as an individual, you risk losing all of your >>> rights when associated with an unfavorable group. >>> >>> We all stand before God as the ultimate judge of our actions. Let us >>> not attempt to assume his position of judgment over a billion people. >>> >>> Jeremy D. Young >>> >>> Jerry W Blevins wrote: >>> > I have followed this thread of thought in this mailing, now we know why >>> > we have the problems we have, the enemy is us. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Jerry >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com >>> > [mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *D L >>> Wells >>> > *Sent:* Sunday, November 08, 2009 5:22 PM >>> > *To:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com >>> > *Subject:* Re: Shooter handed out Korans yesterday morning >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > I agree with Eric and Charity. The mass-hysteria and hatred is >>> > overwhelming. >>> > >>> > A crazy guy "lost it" and shot people, just like lots of crazy people >>> > do. It doesn't discount the fact that it was a horrible, horrible >>> > thing, but hysteria breeds unrealistic conspiracy theories against a >>> big >>> > mass of people. >>> > >>> > Ask the Christians, ask the Jews, ask black people, ask brown people, >>> > ask the JCLS, ask the John Birch Society, ask gay people, ask Ron Paul >>> > supporters, ask women, ask anyone who has been put into a big boiling >>> > pot of oil for being the 'wrong' color, religion, sex, belief, etc. >>> > >>> > I'm glad this guy will be brought to justice. I pray for the souls of >>> > the dead, those they leave behind, and I continue to pray for my >>> country. >>> > >>> > Deb >>> > >>> > On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Davis Family >>> > <darlingdavisfam...@gmail.com <mailto:darlingdavisfam...@gmail.com>> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > There are extremists in every group there is. I try not to judge all >>> of >>> > them based on the actions of a few. >>> > >>> > >>> > "Nearest in love to the Muslims wilt you find those who say, 'We >>> > are Christians': >>> > because these are men devoted to learning & men who have >>> renounced >>> > the world, they are not arrogant. (Quran, 5:82)" >>> > >>> > May those who are non-Christians find that we hold to their >>> expectations >>> > of us. That we seek to understand their teachings on a personal level, >>> > and not base them on what the TV or other media claims that they >>> > believe. I am sure that the Jews wished to be seen as individuals and >>> > not just worthy of death because of their faith. As a member of The >>> > Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I am quite familiar with >>> > how blind hate with the backing of governments and media outlets can >>> > bring to pass the justification of trampling upon the rights of an >>> > entire group. Remember, and I have said it many times, what you are >>> > willing to justify in doing to others, including preaching against >>> > faith, that you weaken your own liberty, and open the door for others >>> to >>> > do the same to you based upon your faith, or some other ridiculous >>> label. >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Fred B. Ellison <fbelli...@yahoo.com >>> > <mailto:fbelli...@yahoo.com>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Eric, >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > You need to educate yourself on the true beliefs of Islam. As a >>> > Christian, I do not believe that I can force anyone to obey God. This >>> > decision is a voluntary change of heart that leads to a change in >>> > outward actions. This is not the teaching of Islam which is based on >>> the >>> > forced submission to the will of Allah (God). This attitude is >>> > completely contrary to the concept of liberty and self-responsibility. >>> > The non-Muslim is considered to be no better than a slave to be >>> > exploited for the benefit of Muslims. Do your research and you will >>> > understand how very dangerous all Muslims actually are. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Fred >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >>> > "Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only >>> > prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of >>> > freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to >>> > consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom." - John F. Kennedy >>> > >>> > "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our >>> > inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the >>> > state of facts and evidence." - John Adams >>> > >>> > "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit >>> > of justice is no virtue." - Barry Goldwater >>> > >>> > "As an American, I am not so shocked that Obama was given the Nobel >>> > Peace Prize without any accomplishments to his name, but rather that >>> > America gave him the White House based on the same credentials." - Newt >>> > Gingrich >>> > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >>> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are confidential >>> > and may be protected by legal privilege. The information contained >>> > herein is for the sole use of the intended recipient and any >>> disclosure, >>> > copying, distribution, or reliance on this message or any attachment by >>> > unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >>> > message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this >>> email >>> > and deleting it from your computer. >>> > >>> > --- On *Sat, 11/7/09, Eric Vought /<evou...@gmail.com >>> > <mailto:evou...@gmail.com>>/* wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > From: Eric Vought <evou...@gmail.com <mailto:evou...@gmail.com>> >>> > Subject: Re: Shooter handed out Korans yesterday morning >>> > To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com >>> > <mailto:missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com> >>> > Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 5:41 PM >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Nov 6, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Fred B. Ellison wrote: >>> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > The massacre at Ft. Hood yesterday has stunned and grieved >>> America. >>> > > Everywhere people are asking questions. How could this happen on >>> a >>> > > secure military installation? What drove him to do it? >>> > > >>> > > Our heavy hearts go out to the families who have suffered this >>> > > shocking loss. >>> > > >>> > > What is not shocking is the spin the “establishment media” is >>> trying >>> > > to put on this horrific massacre. For instance, Fox News this >>> > > morning interviewed a “criminal profiler” who asserted >>> definitively >>> > > that this attack had nothing to do with religion, that the man >>> was >>> > > “troubled.” (In fairness to Fox News, they are at least raising >>> the >>> > > questions about jihadism as a motive.) >>> > >>> > >>> > etc. >>> > >>> > First of all, we have no idea why this man did what he allegedly >>> did. >>> > After 16 years and even the opportunity to talk to the shooter, I >>> > still do not know precisely why the shooter at my college did what >>> he >>> > did. He does not precisely know himself. >>> > >>> > What I would like people to consider, however (not necessarily >>> accept, >>> > but "consider") is that this may have to do with religion but not >>> in >>> > the way this email suggested. Several years back, we had an >>> incident >>> > on base in (I believe) Kuwait, where a Muslim US soldier attacked >>> his >>> > own unit with a pair of hand grenades. He had been deeply disturbed >>> by >>> > the training he was given to go into Iraq and "shoot ragheads", >>> that >>> > it was perfectly OK to torture "stinking ragheads", and that things >>> > would not be OK until the last Muslim was dead. He sought a >>> conscience >>> > discharge because of the pervasive religious discrimination in his >>> > unit. This was a man who volunteered to serve his s country, the >>> "Land >>> > of the Free," and was persecuted for his religion. His request for >>> > discharge (or transfer) was denied and the persecution continued >>> until >>> > he snapped. >>> > >>> > We do not know that anything like this happened with Major Hassan, >>> but >>> > it is certainly as possible as any other motive. Is it right for >>> > "Protestant American" soldiers to persecute "Muslim American" >>> > soldiers? How do we "preach to the Gentiles" if we are too busy >>> trying >>> > to shoot them all? >>> > >>> > He "handed out Korans" the day of the attack? And? Is this not >>> legal >>> > in this country? If I hand out Christian literature on a street >>> > corner, am I a "terrorist"? Maybe he did this every morning for the >>> > past ten years! >>> > >>> > If you want to know why Muslims (in America or otherwise) hate >>> "us", >>> > look no further than this email from "ACT America." In my mind, it >>> is >>> > not Christian behavior to hate members of any religion (or of no >>> > religion). How clear does the Bible make it that not one of us is >>> > "righteous"? Attempt to lead by example and convert people through >>> > compassion. If someone physically assaults us, then certainly we >>> > respond, but there is no need for hate or persecution before or >>> after. >>> > >>> > The continued frothing at the mouth about all and any Muslims being >>> > demonically possessed makes me sick. According to my religion, I >>> > believe them to be mistaken, but that does not mean that they are >>> evil >>> > or more prone to evil than we are. Certainly we can all think of >>> > examples of evil people who have labelled themselves as >>> "Christian", >>> > such as, for instance, the Nazis (a Gnostic Christian cult), or the >>> > Catholics who slaughtered the Albagensians (my ancestors), the >>> > horrendously violent Knights Templar, or the warfare/terrorism in >>> > England, Ireland, and Scotland between different sects of >>> > Christianity, etc... >>> > >>> > We need to get a grip and realize that evil does not come with >>> > consumer-friendly labels. None of us have a monopoly on truth, >>> > >>> > Sincerely, >>> > >>> > Eric Vought >>> > "Faith does not absolve us from trying to understand our world and >>> > make moral distinctions with the eyes and brain given us. 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