I think that is very correct, Fred. Linda H
----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Fred B. Ellison <fbelli...@yahoo.com> To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 12:27:58 PM Subject: Re: Shooter handed out Korans yesterday morning Eric, You need to educate yourself on the true beliefs of Islam. As a Christian, I do not believe that I can force anyone to obey God. This decision is a voluntary change of heart that leads to a change in outward actions. This is not the teaching of Islam which is based on the forced submission to the will of Allah (God). This attitude is completely contrary to the concept of liberty and self-responsibility. The non-Muslim is considered to be no better than a slave to be exploited for the benefit of Muslims. Do your research and you will understand how very dangerous all Muslims actually are. 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If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this email and deleting it from your computer. --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Eric Vought <evou...@gmail.com> wrote: >From: Eric Vought <evou...@gmail.com> >Subject: Re: Shooter handed out Korans yesterday morning >To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com >Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 5:41 PM > > > > >On Nov 6, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Fred B. Ellison wrote: > >> >> >> The massacre at Ft. Hood yesterday has stunned and grieved America. >> Everywhere people are asking questions. How could this happen on a >> secure military installation? What drove him to do it? >> >> Our heavy hearts go out to the families who have suffered this >> shocking loss. >> >> What is not shocking is the spin the “establishment media” is trying >> to put on this horrific massacre. For instance, Fox News this >> morning interviewed a “criminal profiler” who asserted definitively >> that this attack had nothing to do with religion, that the man was >> “troubled.” (In fairness to Fox News, they are at least raising the >> questions about jihadism as a motive.) > > >etc. > >First of all, we have no idea > why this man did what he allegedly did. >After 16 years and even the opportunity to talk to the shooter, I >still do not know precisely why the shooter at my college did what he >did. He does not precisely know himself. > >What I would like people to consider, however (not necessarily accept, >but "consider") is that this may have to do with religion but not in >the way this email suggested. Several years back, we had an incident >on base in (I believe) Kuwait, where a Muslim US soldier attacked his >own unit with a pair of hand grenades. He had been deeply disturbed by >the training he was given to go into Iraq and "shoot ragheads", that >it was perfectly OK to torture "stinking ragheads", and that things >would not be OK until the last Muslim was dead. He sought a conscience >discharge because of the pervasive religious discrimination in his > >unit. This was a man who volunteered to serve his s country, the "Land >of the Free," and was persecuted for his religion. His request for >discharge (or transfer) was denied and the persecution continued until >he snapped. > >We do not know that anything like this happened with Major Hassan, but >it is certainly as possible as any other motive. Is it right for >"Protestant American" soldiers to persecute "Muslim American" >soldiers? How do we "preach to the Gentiles" if we are too busy trying >to shoot them all? > >He "handed out Korans" the day of the attack? And? Is this not legal >in this country? If I hand out Christian literature on a street >corner, am I a "terrorist"? Maybe he did this every morning for the >past ten years! > >If you want to know why Muslims (in America or otherwise) hate "us", >look no further than this email from > "ACT America." In my mind, it is >not Christian behavior to hate members of any religion (or of no >religion). How clear does the Bible make it that not one of us is >"righteous"? Attempt to lead by example and convert people through >compassion. If someone physically assaults us, then certainly we >respond, but there is no need for hate or persecution before or after. > >The continued frothing at the mouth about all and any Muslims being >demonically possessed makes me sick. According to my religion, I >believe them to be mistaken, but that does not mean that they are evil >or more prone to evil than we are. Certainly we can all think of >examples of evil people who have labelled themselves as "Christian", >such as, for instance, the Nazis (a Gnostic Christian cult), or the >Catholics who slaughtered the Albagensians (my ancestors), the > >horrendously violent Knights Templar, or the warfare/terrorism in >England, Ireland, and Scotland between different sects of >Christianity, etc... > >We need to get a grip and realize that evil does not come with >consumer-friendly labels. None of us have a monopoly on truth, > >Sincerely, > >Eric Vought >"Faith does not absolve us from trying to understand our world and >make moral distinctions with the eyes and brain given us. Religion is >as much responsibility as direction: Duty not Distinction." > > > >>> > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. 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