>From "Steven M. Schultz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 9 Dec 2003:

> > I am using the dvd::rip 4:3 NTSC preset on the 'Clip & Zoom' tab,
> > which, I guess maps to the standard NTSC framesize of 352x240?
> 
>       Ok - sounds like it is doing the right thing.

Well, it does use the -B switch to transcode (fast resize) not the -Z for regular 
resize. Would fast resizing result in halos/artifacts? In any case, looks like 
transcode is doing the resizing on its own and not calling yuvscaler or anything else.

>       Lots of long lines...   Possible to set the margins to something
>       closer to 80 characters or so? ;)

Sorry, I will try.

>       Hmmm, I don't know what scaling algorithms it uses either - or if
>       they allow you to specify/tailor the scaling behaviour.   

Well, it has various presets on the clip&zoom page 
(http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/doc/gui-gui_clip_zoom.cipp) and there is also a manual 
mode to allow you to enter all values.

> 
>       That's why I avoid the all-in-one programs.   I'd rather figure out
>       what needs to be done and write the necessary shell script to tie
>       it all together.

Me too. But in this case, I made an exception because dvd::rip offers a nice balance 
between doing it for you and allowing manual overrides. I prefer that it does all the 
boring grunt work of tcprobe, tccat, etc to create the vobs and allow me full control 
over the encoding process. It does this so I am happy.

>       That's just an estimate (often close but not 100% accurate) - might
>       need to be a little higher.   Might need to be 2500 to account for
>       one peak in the middle - or you might need to increase the VBV size

Well, if there is one peak in the middle and my -r is too small to accomodate this 
peak, wont mplex fail with frame underruns? The fact that mplex succeeds is proof that 
my -r is sufficient, isnt it?

>       with "-b" (default for VCD is 46 but with an XVCD that can have
>       higher peak rates you might want to try "-r 220" to mplex).

Um..what is VBV? The buffer size? That is -B, right?

>       Look who they're being marketed to ;)   Flawless?   Advertising hype.
>       Couple weeks ago I was "treated" to the experience of a DVD produced
>       by someone who used one of those type of packages.   Not something
>       I want to do again any time soon...

Well, even with all the one-click templates that these packages provide,authoring a 
disc is still a creative endeavour,  and a poorly authored disc might account for your 
bad experience!

>       "Good enough for Joe Casual User".   I don't think many of those
>       create an outofspec XVCD going for absolute maximum play time by 
>       allowing *you*  to choose the tradeoff point between quality and 
>       playtime.

True. Forget VCD. If you have a DVD writer, do they really let you copy a commercial 
DVD to another, byte-for-byte without re-encoding? Doesnt that violate the 
CSS/copyright thing? Also, I read somewhere that DVD-R blanks have a opaque ring right 
where the CSS code is written, just as a copy-protection measure? If thats so, making 
a identical copy of a DVD is impossible, right?

>       The other thing that can be tried, although with clean material the
>       effect will probably be minor, is "-R 0" or "-R 1" to turn off or
>       use only 1 B frame.

Thanks, will try this. What is defined as "clean material"? Is anything on a 
commercial DVD clean material? Even if it is a 1960s movie? The reason I ask is that, 
in this case, I was able to fit a new (2003) commercial 132-minute DVD onto a single 
CD-R (500MB bin/cue image). But a 1960s movie on DVD, with the same settings generated 
a 1500MB mpeg file! Is this because one source material is "noisier" than the other?

Thanks for the discussion and education. I appreciate it.



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