did not get your Java yet :), alright too corny could not resist :)
from an outsider's perspective it seems to me that the
Perl/Python/PHP/Ruby , have had such great success in the web space
including great reusability that I can't fathom why somebody rational
would consider Java as a replacement , but I don't want to quibble ,
personally stay at least "dynamic" would be my 2 cents
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:07:48 -0500, David Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
You're no doubt right, my ANY referred to the Perl/Python/PHP/Ruby
family, not Java and Smalltalk. I hadn't had my coffee yet, hope I
wasn't too incoherent...
d
Charles A. Monteiro wrote:
sory to intrude but this just caught my eye, that statement is contrary
to the evidence, lots of "smart" people did not , have not made the
paradigm shift to OO, they say they do but many code in OO languages in
very non OO ways. It was not mentioned but moving over from one OO
language to another is not that easy walk in the part type of thing.
Going from Smalltalk to Java for example, is not fun due to immense
productivity differences between the two i.e Smalltalk being dynamic
and having constructs that just make it so much easier to work with. I
have played with Ruby, it borrowed a lot of its collection
functionality from Smalltalk and seems to have full block closures but
yet no where close as far as productivity.
anyhow, again I apologize for the intrusion, I realize that Smalltalk
does not play in your world there. Although ironically, it does play
well in a web world. Check out Seaside, a Smalltalk web framework which
is getting a lot of play.
-Charles
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:35:18 -0500, Ronald Dai. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Agree with this sentence "Any developer with a solid object-oriented
background in ANY of these
languages can move comfortably into ANY of the others within a few
days.".....and I think any smart person with good common sense would
understand OO in no time...
________________________________
From: David Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue 2/26/2008 9:06 AM
To: modperl@perl.apache.org
Subject: Re: Amazon
I've seen that too. Some engineering managers have an absolute phobia
when it comes to Perl. But some of these same managers turn right
around and extol the virtues of Ruby. Go figure. As far as I can
tell,
beyond a lot of syntactic sugar the two are virtually indistinguishable
- except that Perl has been around longer and runs a lot deeper. Same
with Python.
I think a lot of the debate boils down to culture. Perl people tend to
come from a sysadmin culture and are more comfortable working where the
rubber hits the road. PHP people tend to come from web dev, and really
don't see the need to go too far beyond dynamic web pages. Ruby and
Python people tend to be Java refugees. But the skill set involved in
writing good code is no different, regardless of your background.
Any developer with a solid object-oriented background in ANY of these
languages can move comfortably into ANY of the others within a few
days. And none of them is Java - thank God!
Also, remember that being a typed language does not make
object-oriented
design patterns any easier. If you read the original "Gang of 4" book
there is no mention of Java or Ruby - in 1995 both were in their
infancy! But they do talk about Smalltalk, which is untyped. Try that
argument the next time you hit one of these "perl is evil" majordomos.
You won't get the job, of course, but it will brighten up your day.
d
J. Peng wrote:
I like Perl than others. once a company wanted to hire me and gave me
much higher salary than the current job. But one of their conditions
is not permit to use perl, but use python instead. I'm familiar with
python too, but I hate that clause. So I gave up that job finally.:)
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Aaron Trevena
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 23/02/2008, Michael Lackhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> - Perl usage is declining. I read some statistics from O'Reilly
and
> they showed that Perl book sales are going down.
> A few years ago the 'P' in LAMP clearly was 'Perl', now it is
'PHP'
> in most cases. Developers tend to go (even if slowly) where
the money
> is.
Sorry, you're making wild claims there - yes ORA perl book sales are
down, but then that really doesn't indicate much - most of the ORA
perl books have been around for ages and are on their 3rd or 4th
reprint. Hardly a surprise.
If you look at other more useful numbers you can see that the number
of contributors to CPAN and perl projects in increasing, the number
of
jobs is steady or increasing, and that actually it's all rather
healthy.
A.
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