Cluth master cylinder on my +4 failed - no fluid leaks, just got slightly 
harder to engage gear sometimes, occasionally the car would start to move away 
without me taking foot off clutch pedal.

Stall test is good move first, but I'll lay odds on the master cylinder...

Cheers,
Graham W
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  From: e-mail colin.jones5857 
  To: mogtalk2 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [mogtalk2] Clutch Issues


  Hi David

  Have you tried a 'stall test'?  That would show up slip.

  Essential you have clear space in front of you and if possible front wheels 
chocked, apply handbrake fully on and if possible also heal and toe to hold the 
foot brake and accelerator to get about 2000RPM on a warm engine and the car in 
4th gear.

  Take your foot sharply off the clutch and see if the engine stops almost 
immediately, if it does the clutch is not slipping.

  If that's the case I would look at the clutch master cylinder, you say no 
fluid leaks and that's normally associated with a faulty slave (but they can 
fail without leaking but rare).  Its totally possible and sad to say not 
uncommon for the master cylinder to fail giving the condition you state without 
leaking fluid.  I must admit the first thing I would do is bleed the clutch, 
well, get a full fluid change as the master cylinder can hold all kinds of crud 
and the fluid absorbs water just the same as brake fluid but we never change 
the clutch fluid do we? ;-).

  If all that fails and it s slipping then you asked about access, its an 
engine out I am afraid, not that massive task if you have or can hire an engine 
beam hoist.

  Good luck and let us know what you find.

  BR

  Colin


  On 17 July 2012 15:53, David Jones <[email protected]> wrote:

    David


    That was my first thought, but can't think what else it might be.


    David 





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      From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
      To: mogtalk2 <[email protected]> 
      Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2012, 15:49
      Subject: RE: [mogtalk2] Clutch Issues



      Sounds a low mileage for the clutch to be worn out

      TC
      David.



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      From: David Jones [mailto:[email protected]] 
      Sent: 17 July 2012 14:59
      To: mogtalk2
      Subject: [mogtalk2] Clutch Issues

      Hi Chaps,

      I need some advice from those much more technically gifted  than I.

      I have a 1998 4-4 with 30,000 miles on the clock. I took the Mog out 
today and noticed the clutch pedal travel seemed to be getting longer and 
longer, or to be more precise the take up of the clutch is very close to the 
floor. I guess it must be new clutch time, however in the past with other 
vehicles a slipping clutch was the sign of a worn out clutch and not pedal 
travel. That said, I had to replace the clutch on the Defender some time ago 
and if I recall that was also pedal travel rather than slipping.

      So a few questions, do the symptoms suggest a new clutch and is it an 
engine out job or can it be tackled from underneath? 

      I have checked the fluid levels are they are fine.

      Thanks 

      David 


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