Larry:
I'm motor shopping. Do you think the 4 hp Suzuki is big enough for the
M17, or is 6 hp necessary?
--Gary
On Aug 05, 2005, at 10:32 PM, Larry E Yake wrote:
Hey, that nice white M17 at Vashon Island was probably Dik and Ann
Lang's
"Sweet Pea" and that gas engine hanging on the stern would be their new
Suzuki 4hp 4stroke. (The engine I would like to get.) They were on the
San Juan trip this year.
Tullamore sits pretty level when loaded for a trip. I move the ice
chest
into the cabin and shove the duffel bag forward on the V berth when I
start sailing. If I have a passenger or 2, that's not enough and the
stern drags some.
Larry
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:05:43 -0700 Frederick M Berthrong
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Thanks Larry,
Yes, I am using an electric trolling motor and so far it has worked
very
well (though I still tell everyone interested ... or not .. that it
is
an experiment). It weighs about 17 lbs or the entire package
including
batteries weighs about 120 lbs. Probably not too far different than
a
small gas 4-stroke plus extra fuel just the location of the weight
is
different.
She sails very nicely trimmed as she is with the batteries forward.
With
two medium sized humans in the cockpit the trim is about neutral.
It
just looks a bit funny to see this beauty nose down a bit on the
buoy or
for that matter when I am motoring solo. Under sail she seems to
look
and act right smart.
I guess my real question is ... How do the other M17s float with all
the
gear on board ready for a short sail but absent the Lord and Master
and
the various mates? ( I was recently in Puget Sound and in
particular in
Quartermaster Harbor on Vashon Island (terrific wind!) and there in
the
Dockton public marina sat a lovely white hull M17. I didn't have
time to
look closely but she seemed to be sitting nice and level and, yes,
Larry,
she did have a gas engine hanging off the stern.)
Thanks for your input. I'll continue fussing with this to see what
combination works best.
Fred
Dulce
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:48:02 -0700 Larry E Yake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
Fred,
I didn't see any other replies on this, so I'll give it a shot.
According to Jerry and the speed guys, the rule of thumb on both
the
M17
and the M15 is get the weight as far forward as possible. You
want
to
have the transom out of the water as much as possible for good
boat
speed, as it causes drag. 3 inches seems like a lot, but you're
carrying
a lot of battery weight there. Are you using an electric motor? If
you
don't have an outboard hanging on the transom, that would explain
the
difference in trim. I wouldn't think you'd want to move the weight
much
further back than the mast support.
Larry
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 07:38:05 -0700 Frederick M Berthrong
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
M-17 ers,
I have two, frame 24 batteries which I installed on a platform
which
is
glassed in just forward of the mast support strattling the
centerline and
under the bunks. I haven't weighed them but that is about 100
lbs
total.
The problem is Dulce sits in the water heavy by the bow (about
three
inches lower in the bow) . I concluded that the two batteries
are
the
reason. I temporarily, just to check it out, moved the
batteries
aft and
on either side of the CB trunk. This helped the trim but did
not
correct
it entirely. It is clear that the bow section displaces less
water
than
the stern part so it is logical that heavy stuff be stowed aft.
But
even
with the 100 lbs of battery further aft she sits with the stern
about an
inch or more higher than the bow as indicated by the factory
located
water line (boat fully rigged but with no humans on board).
Does anyone else have this issue?
Once I get a couple of folks in the cockpit everything evens
out.
Is
that by design?
Fred Berthrong
Dulce M17 #300
On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:06:05 -0700 "jerry"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
If I can comment- that's probably the best place for a
battery.
Jerry
jerrymontgomery.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Gilbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 3:01 PM
Subject: M_Boats: Re:Battery Location M17
Hi Steve:
The original battery location on my M17 was under the port
berth,
but it
was
too small for the monster battery I just bought for Tiny
Dancer.(1000AH-
at
least it's a monster to me) Since the battery weighs 55 lbs,
I
figure it's
pretty good ballast, so I've built a high-sided box of epoxy
and
glass-covered plywood, and epoxied that along the centerline
of
the boat
just forward of the mast support under the Vberth. The
battery
is
a little
harder to get to, but it should work a little better than
the
stock setup
with regards to trim. It'll be harder to check the water in
it's
new
location, but it's well secured and should stay in place.
Best
BG
--
Brian Gilbert
Marine Media
Author, Fix It and Sail
(423)876-9990
3404 Hartford Drive
Chattanooga, TN 37415
www.sailingsmall.com
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