I'm confused. Is the 2 Cycle ok to use in the Ocean, like the Pacific? I know Lake Tahoe won't allow 2 cycle outboards. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gilbert Landin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: RE: M_Boats: Re:Battery Location M17 and trim
> I am currently using a 2004 suzuki 4 hp 4 stroke, I love it. It has plenty > of power to push your boat. I have never gone more than 1/2 throttle and at > that I am about hull speed. Get the long shaft since even that the water > intake comes out of the water when you go forward. > > > gil > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Larry E Yake > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:43 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re:Battery Location M17 and trim > > I've been using a Suzuki 2 cycle 4 horse and it's been fine, but as I > recall, on the Suzuki 4 cycles, the 6 horse doesn't weigh any more than > the 4 horse and has more propeller options. It's more expensive of > course. Something to check out. It's also nice to have both the internal > and external tanks. The charging coil runs an extra $150 or so. Another > nice option for cruising. > > Larry > > On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:35:18 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Larry: > > I'm motor shopping. Do you think the 4 hp Suzuki is big enough for > > the > > M17, or is 6 hp necessary? > > --Gary > > > > On Aug 05, 2005, at 10:32 PM, Larry E Yake wrote: > > > > > Hey, that nice white M17 at Vashon Island was probably Dik and Ann > > > > > Lang's > > > "Sweet Pea" and that gas engine hanging on the stern would be > > their new > > > Suzuki 4hp 4stroke. (The engine I would like to get.) They were on > > the > > > San Juan trip this year. > > > > > > Tullamore sits pretty level when loaded for a trip. I move the > > ice > > > chest > > > into the cabin and shove the duffel bag forward on the V berth > > when I > > > start sailing. If I have a passenger or 2, that's not enough and > > the > > > stern drags some. > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:05:43 -0700 Frederick M Berthrong > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> Thanks Larry, > > >> > > >> Yes, I am using an electric trolling motor and so far it has > > worked > > >> very > > >> well (though I still tell everyone interested ... or not .. that > > it > > >> is > > >> an experiment). It weighs about 17 lbs or the entire package > > >> including > > >> batteries weighs about 120 lbs. Probably not too far different > > than > > >> a > > >> small gas 4-stroke plus extra fuel just the location of the > > weight > > >> is > > >> different. > > >> > > >> She sails very nicely trimmed as she is with the batteries > > forward. > > >> With > > >> two medium sized humans in the cockpit the trim is about > > neutral. > > >> It > > >> just looks a bit funny to see this beauty nose down a bit on the > > >> buoy or > > >> for that matter when I am motoring solo. Under sail she seems > > to > > >> look > > >> and act right smart. > > >> > > >> I guess my real question is ... How do the other M17s float with > > all > > >> the > > >> gear on board ready for a short sail but absent the Lord and > > Master > > >> and > > >> the various mates? ( I was recently in Puget Sound and in > > >> particular in > > >> Quartermaster Harbor on Vashon Island (terrific wind!) and there > > in > > >> the > > >> Dockton public marina sat a lovely white hull M17. I didn't > > have > > >> time to > > >> look closely but she seemed to be sitting nice and level and, > > yes, > > >> Larry, > > >> she did have a gas engine hanging off the stern.) > > >> > > >> Thanks for your input. I'll continue fussing with this to see > > what > > >> combination works best. > > >> > > >> Fred > > >> Dulce > > >> > > >> On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:48:02 -0700 Larry E Yake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> writes: > > >>> Fred, > > >>> I didn't see any other replies on this, so I'll give it a shot. > > >>> According to Jerry and the speed guys, the rule of thumb on > > both > > >> the > > >>> M17 > > >>> and the M15 is get the weight as far forward as possible. You > > >> want > > >>> to > > >>> have the transom out of the water as much as possible for good > > >> boat > > >>> speed, as it causes drag. 3 inches seems like a lot, but > > you're > > >>> carrying > > >>> a lot of battery weight there. Are you using an electric motor? > > If > > >> > > >>> you > > >>> don't have an outboard hanging on the transom, that would > > explain > > >> > > >>> the > > >>> difference in trim. I wouldn't think you'd want to move the > > weight > > >> > > >>> much > > >>> further back than the mast support. > > >>> Larry > > >>> > > >>> On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 07:38:05 -0700 Frederick M Berthrong > > >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >>>> M-17 ers, > > >>>> > > >>>> I have two, frame 24 batteries which I installed on a platform > > >>> which > > >>>> is > > >>>> glassed in just forward of the mast support strattling the > > >>>> centerline and > > >>>> under the bunks. I haven't weighed them but that is about 100 > > >> lbs > > >>> > > >>>> total. > > >>>> The problem is Dulce sits in the water heavy by the bow > > (about > > >> > > >>>> three > > >>>> inches lower in the bow) . I concluded that the two batteries > > >> are > > >>> > > >>>> the > > >>>> reason. I temporarily, just to check it out, moved the > > >> batteries > > >>> > > >>>> aft and > > >>>> on either side of the CB trunk. This helped the trim but did > > >> not > > >>> > > >>>> correct > > >>>> it entirely. It is clear that the bow section displaces less > > >>> water > > >>>> than > > >>>> the stern part so it is logical that heavy stuff be stowed > > aft. > > >> > > >>> But > > >>>> even > > >>>> with the 100 lbs of battery further aft she sits with the > > stern > > >> > > >>>> about an > > >>>> inch or more higher than the bow as indicated by the factory > > >>>> located > > >>>> water line (boat fully rigged but with no humans on board). > > >>>> > > >>>> Does anyone else have this issue? > > >>>> > > >>>> Once I get a couple of folks in the cockpit everything evens > > >> out. > > >>> > > >>>> Is > > >>>> that by design? > > >>>> > > >>>> Fred Berthrong > > >>>> Dulce M17 #300 > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:06:05 -0700 "jerry" > > >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>> writes: > > >>>>> If I can comment- that's probably the best place for a > > >> battery. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Jerry > > >>>>> jerrymontgomery.org > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>> From: "Brian Gilbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>>> To: <[email protected]> > > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 3:01 PM > > >>>>> Subject: M_Boats: Re:Battery Location M17 > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Hi Steve: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> The original battery location on my M17 was under the port > > >>>> berth, > > >>>>> but it > > >>>>> was > > >>>>>> too small for the monster battery I just bought for Tiny > > >>>>> Dancer.(1000AH- > > >>>>> at > > >>>>>> least it's a monster to me) Since the battery weighs 55 lbs, > > >> I > > >>> > > >>>>> figure it's > > >>>>>> pretty good ballast, so I've built a high-sided box of epoxy > > >> > > >>> and > > >>>>>> glass-covered plywood, and epoxied that along the centerline > > >> > > >>> of > > >>>> > > >>>>> the boat > > >>>>>> just forward of the mast support under the Vberth. The > > >> battery > > >>> > > >>>> is > > >>>>> a little > > >>>>>> harder to get to, but it should work a little better than > > >> the > > >>> > > >>>>> stock setup > > >>>>>> with regards to trim. It'll be harder to check the water in > > >> > > >>> it's > > >>>> > > >>>>> new > > >>>>>> location, but it's well secured and should stay in place. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Best > > >>>>>> BG > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> -- > > >>>>>> Brian Gilbert > > >>>>>> Marine Media > > >>>>>> Author, Fix It and Sail > > >>>>>> (423)876-9990 > > >>>>>> 3404 Hartford Drive > > >>>>>> Chattanooga, TN 37415 > > >>>>>> www.sailingsmall.com > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> > > >> > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > >> > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
