No, I meant the 17, not the 15, and all I can say is "Well said." Also, I
couldn't agree more about rollers.> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:
[email protected]> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:13:23 -0800>
Subject: RE: M_Boats: Re: M17 heavy weather capabilities> > >" We're talking
about an M17 here, right?"> > > That was what I was thinking as well
Tom.....that he must have meant a 15.> Although it has been three months since
the boat was put to bed for> hibernation, I seem to recall that distance being
much too far to reach the> forestay at any point let alone the stemhead.> >
Either way. A down haul is about as easy as it gets. It is actually faster>
than a roller in a panic and costs next to nothing.> When we adopted our 17 it
had a CDI roller unit on there. > At first it was a fun new toy....Daphne, my
wife, actually loved the> thing....but I ended up taking it off and having the
155 converted to hank> on.> There were a few aspects of the roller that
bothered me and limited my> sailing style. I like the correct sail for the
occasion. You are stuck with> whatever is on your furler. Even though ours was
a 'reefing' furler, the> mods that are done to the sail to be able to do this
are not acceptable in> my mind....all that line and foam stuff sewn into the
sail.....nutty.> Anything other than full sail was a compromise as far as sail
shape goes.> You could get by on a rolled reef on anything bellow a
beamer....but even> forereaching the sails shape sucked.> The secondary parts
of the roller that pushed me to convert back to basics> was it was awkward to
stow when taking down rig. > And when the sail was rolled up it presented a
huge amount of windage. If> you consider the layers here it was one huge mother
of a sausage sticking> way up there. With a reefing sail you have the foam and
stuff, then in some> cases (such as mine) the UV protective layer, then
accounting for the fact> that it is a 155 with all the material involved
here....and in my case I> have a Sunbrella cover for when the boat is left
fully rigged on trailer for> most of the season. That is huge. Even without the
Sunbrella cover. One June> afternoon I was at the boat doing some work when one
of our Okanagan Ninja> winds passed through. Standing on deck and feeling the
amount of pressure on> the rig and boat coming via the big blue sausage was the
last time the> roller saw the light of day. If the trailer wheels weren't
chocked, we might> have trailer sailed right across the marina parking lot.
With the big blue> banana gone there is almost no windage effect on the boat.>
> I could see going back to roller(s) if I converted to a cutter rig and>
different style rollers. That way you could sail with a 130 on the forestay> or
the staysl on the inner....or both. Both could be furled or set from the>
cockpit.> > As far as being on or getting to the foredeck on a 17. Piece of
cake. Just> remember the old saying, "one hand for you and one hand for the
boat". There> is lots to hang on to on a 17. Once I am on the foredeck there is
a great> area for standing or kneeling and doing headsail changes. I have been
out> there and had bow buried deep enough in a trough to get me very wet. At
no> time have I felt threatened enough to be bothered. If the conditions are
bad> enough I sit on the hatch as soon as I get up there and then slide my
butt> down to the deck, then either butt my heels into the toe rail or hang my>
legs (from the knees) over the side while I do whatever needs doing. The> life
lines are right there at that point so hang on to one if you can, when> you
can't, just keep in mind where they are for one you might need to snatch> one
up. It is always exciting, but that's the fun part of sailing.....for me>
anyway.> I am no super youngster. I am about 20 lbs. overweight (but very
active and> healthy) 51 year old. I feel that if someone is not able move
freely about> the decks or to get on the foredeck of their sailboat to make a
sail change> to fix something that is broken, then they should consider a
physical> training program or look at a taking up a different hobby. The decks
and> foredeck are a vital area of any sailboat and you need to be able to work>
there. As much as sailing is fun and relaxing at times, it can also be> wicked
serious as well.> A roller will not always prevent the need for your presence
on the> foredeck....those thing jam. Mine did, and I read about failures now
and> again. There is not one piece of gear on a sailboat I would trust to work>
all the time.> > Oh right, one tool not mentioned that makes foredeck work>
easier........beer. ~:0)> > That's my humble opinion and I am sticking to it
until I forget what I> said......2 Canadian cents worth.> > Cheers, Tim
Diebert> M17 #369 'Puff'> Kelowna BC....(currently in hibernation and
experiencing 31 degrees, snow on> the way and 28 knot gusts.)> >
..............................................................> > Tom said:> >
We're talking about an M17 here, right?> > > You aren't reaching the forestay
from the hatch regardless of where the> hinges are. It's too far. If you're
changing sails, you're going out on> the deck. Lacking roller furling, use the
downhaul to get the headsail> down until you can get your act together. > > t>
> -----Original Message-----> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of edward> haile> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 12:02
PM> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> Subject: RE: M_Boats: Re: M17 heavy
weather capabilities> > > My previous email was written without reviewing some
of your comments here.> But what would you think of this idea? Turn the hatch
hinges around (BoB Eeg> told me something about how the law will require sooner
or later foreward> hinges so he's doing it now). This will allow you to standup
and reach the> forestay easily. Cast off the jib tack and jib halyard and you
are there.> You can now pull the peak and the tack together and snap on another
jib. Or,> if the wind is really screaming, depending on how much slack you
build into> the tack and peak lines, you could haul the jib, still attached top
and> bottom, through the hatch and change sails in the cabin, reemerge and let
go> the new sail and reset it with the two lines. What's the boat doing in the>
meantime (if you're alone)? What if you raised the rudder out of the water> and
sheeted the main down amidships. Shouldn't the boat weathercock? The> forefoot
shd dig in from your weight and the stern will have little lateral> resistance.
The centerboard down might be a problem. What's yr take on this?> ED> From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:34:00 -0500> To:>
[email protected]> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M17 heavy> weather
capabilities> > I'd have to second Gary's observations about the M17> hatch.
I'm a pretty big > boy and honestly I never tried it. My 17 had the> backwards
opening front > hatch, so even if you fit, the hatch lid would> prevent you
from leaning forward. > In this photo you can see the hinges are> on the front
of the hatch and that > there's no way you'd be able to work> around it to deal
with the luff of the > jib.> >>
_http://msogphotosite.com/MSOG/b17thomps/b17thomps7.jpg_ >>
(http://msogphotosite.com/MSOG/b17thomps/b17thomps7.jpg) > > On later> versions
and I believe the new M17's that Bob builds the hatch > opens from> the
front...> Hey Gary H.! Doesn't your hatch open from the front??? Could> you
manage a > headsail change through it???>>
(http://msogphotosite.com/MSOG/b17thomps/b17thomps7.jpg) > Lately, I have> been
experimenting for the first time ever (for me) with a > simple downhaul>
attached to the jib/genoa head. Holly cow, why I never did this > before is>
beyond me. I don't mind going forward and pulling a sail down when >> someone's
on the helm but when singlehanding it's a pain. When I'm alone I >> try to make
sure I don't overcanvass for the conditions, but if I do, now I> can > at least
get the sail down on the deck and secure before I ever leave> the > relative
safety of the cockpit. It also allows me to hank on a jib at> the dock > , and
attach the halyard without worry that the halyard is going> to foul > something
by swinging around slack before I'm ready to raise it. I> just hook up > the
downhaul and tension the halyard. I know, I know, roller> furling would > solve
that issue. Someday I may go back to a furler, but for> now I'm happy with >
hank-ons.> > Sean> > > > **************Start the year> off right. Easy ways to
stay in shape. >>
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489>>
_______________________________________________>>
http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats>
_________________________________________________________________> Connect and
share in new ways with Windows Live.>
http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008_>
______________________________________________>
http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > >
_______________________________________________>
http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > -- >
No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >
Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1233 - Release Date: 1/19/2008>
6:37 PM> > > _______________________________________________>
http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
_________________________________________________________________
Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star
power.
http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan_______________________________________________
http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
