" Did you try unshipping the rudder? That sometime helps.Thanks, Ben"
I have tried that Ben. But I didn't leave it off long enough to get a fair trial. The thing is so huge I was struggling to find somewhere to stow it that wasn't in my way. Jerry mentioned that he brings his CB up when at anchor. I don't do that because I have a pendant that is not entirely trustworthy at this point. So there is another factor in the puzzle. Thanks for all the input on this topic. A great resource is this list. I now have plenty of ideas to try! Just one more point I thought I would mention. When I am just stopping to swim or have lunch I often just drop the hook off the stern and tie the line off there. This is not the case when there is any action, because if there was wind I would be sailing...not swimming. But even with a light breeze the boat stays steady stern to any moving air when the anchor is off the stern. I anchored this way one night. (ya, I know) It was fine until one of our big night winds came up....then it was wet and wild. I was too tired and it was too dark to switch ends.....live and learn. Have a grand weekend all. Tim D in BC. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Smith Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 5:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy C ---------------------------------------- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 63, Issue 3 > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:11:44 -0600 > > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Comfort and Joy (jerry) > 2. Re: Comfort and Joy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > 3. Re: Comfort and Joy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > 4. Re: new brochure added (James Poulakis) > 5. Re: Comfort and Joy (James Poulakis) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:19:49 -0700 > From: "jerry" > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I hate the smell of burning blankets! > > Jerry > jerrymontgomery.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Smith" > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:13 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy > > >> I'm telling you Jerry. Smoky campfire. Blanket. t >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1409 - Release Date: 5/1/2008 > 8:39 AM >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:57:23 -0400 > From: > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" > > Jerry, > > Maybe you got a defective copy? *grin* > > I don't recall Busca sailing at anchor either. The only time I can recall > moving about is when the wind was light and/or the tide/current came into > play. And then the time in the Chesapeake when we dragged during a > thunderstorm and my 11# Bruce couldn't hold a half-dozen plus rafted up > boats. Of course, then we didn't sail around, we just slowly moved > backwards. > > 11# Bruce + 17' of 5/16" chain + 3/8" three strand nylon. > > Tod > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jerry > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:43 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy > > I'm curious about this also. I've spent many nites on the hook in Mexico > and Catalina Isl, and don't ever remember the boat sailing around; this is > with a 17 and a 15 also. What am I doing wrong? > > I wonder if it could be something as simple as the amount of scope and > chain? I used 5/16" chain, and about 30 feet of it. I tried my best to > avoid rough anchorages, but if there was any chop at all I ran the line down > thru the trailer eye as someone else mentioned. Otherwise I tied it off on > the bow cleat and led the line around the puplit, which would make it off > center by at least a foot. I normally left the rudder down and lashed on > center. Only other thing I can think of would be the boom awning, which > would add some drag aft. I normally raised the CB, but that was to keep it > from banging back and forth. > > I really can't think of any other possible factors! I have used several > different boats and had no problem with any. > > Jerry > jerrymontgomery.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Diebert" > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:15 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy > > >> That's not a good bit of info Gary. You got me all depressed first thing >> this morning....~:0) >> >> The thing that really brought this to light for me was a night on the hook >> two summers ago. I wind shift turned my anchorage uncomfortable. As I > always >> do I take bearings on fixed points and keep checking to be sure I am not >> dragging. Every time I poked my head out the hatch I saw something new and >> wondered if the wind was shifting that badly. A motor boat dropped in > this >> bay later in the evening. His boat tracked straight into the wind...like a >> bird dog. At first I thought he had a stern anchor....but no. Got me >> wondering why PUFF sailed all over the place and he did not. That's when I >> figured it was the off-center (no bow roller) condition. I went to the >> trouble of making a centering harness on the pulpit and kept it as low as >> possible. No difference. >> I will try all the other ideas mentioned as I get a chance. >> >> Tim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary M >> Hyde >> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:57 PM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy >> >> Tim: >> I've owned 4 sailboats and they all tacked back and forth on the hook. >> --Gary Hyde >> 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' >> We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. >> Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life. >> >> On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Tim Diebert wrote: >>> The stubbiness of the 17 means it will be a lot more frisky in any >>> kind of >>> lumpy water of course. >>> I find that the lapstrakes...the faux laps....tend to make a lot of >>> little >>> noises with even the slightest water action. I drives me wacky to >>> tell you >>> the truth. >>> Another thing I have noticed about the 17 is that she tends to >>> 'sail' when >>> on the hook. Rather than nose to wind she tends to wander back and >>> forth >>> within a 45 degree quadrant. Because of this she can get a slight >>> sideways >>> roll going at times. I am going to try a small riding sail when at >>> anchor >>> for night. >>> My wife an I can both sleep in the V berth....simutaineously. But it >>> is a >>> bit tight. We decided to work on the cockpit tent more and rig a big >>> berth >>> in the cockpit in the future. One in the V berth, one outside. The >>> tent >>> prototype is partway done. >>> When I cruise by myself it is perfectly roomy and suitable for many >>> days no >>> problem. I have also spent over a week with my wife on the >>> boat.....and we >>> are still married...though she has told me it won't be happening >>> again. ~:0) >>> >>> Cheers, Tim D in BC. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >>> Joe >>> Murphy >>> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:05 PM >>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>> Subject: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy >>> >>> I'm looking at the M17 as a next boat and have taken note on how >>> seaworthy >>> they are. In addition, I'm wondering what you all have to say about >>> anchoring out. I like doing overnighters in and around the Beaufort >>> NC area >>> >>> which means a lot of 2-3 foot seas. My experiences have been aboard a >>> NorSea 27. >>> >>> Thanks much, >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1399 - Release Date: >>> 4/26/2008 >>> 2:17 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1408 - Release Date: 4/30/2008 >> 6:10 PM >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1409 - Release Date: 5/1/2008 > 8:39 AM >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1400 - Release Date: 4/27/2008 > 9:39 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1400 - Release Date: 4/27/2008 > 9:39 AM > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:00:29 -0400 > From: > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" > > Yes, that was Busca that had a bow roller. > > I just didn't feel the need for it, so I took it off. On the foredeck I > have two cleats side-by-side and run the anchor rode through a chock at the > gunwale and over to a cleat. > > Two cleats are nice if you raft up, as one gets full pretty quickly. > > Tod > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom > Smith > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 11:07 AM > To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy > > > Somebody had a bow roller once I remember. Whoever bought Riceman's boat > from MT. They removed it I remember. Who was that? Was that you Todd? t > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1400 - Release Date: 4/27/2008 > 9:39 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1400 - Release Date: 4/27/2008 > 9:39 AM > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:31:00 -0700 > From: James Poulakis > Subject: Re: M_Boats: new brochure added > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > What a great boat. Had one in the '80's and '90's then decided I > needed something bigger. I was wrong. Thanks Bill and Peter > > Jim Poulakis > "Spirit" M-17 #648 > > On May 1, 2008, at 5:20 AM, Bill Lamica wrote: > >> Just added the Abil Vega 27 brochure PDF to the Photo Site, >> compliments of >> Peter Jacobs, past M17 owner >> This link is for the brochure, >> Bill >> >> http://www.msogphotosite.com/MSOG/pdfpage/albinvega27.pdf >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:11:37 -0700 > From: James Poulakis > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Try this: > Drop a second anchor off the bow. Pay out very short scope (anchor > just touching the ground then a few feet more). The second anchor > should drag along and discourage the whole boat from wrenching back and > forth. This works best with one of those grapnel type dinghy anchors > (It actually works even better with a Hershoff anchor - but who carries > those anymore?) > > Drawbacks: > 1) It can require frequent adjusting in areas with large tidal ranges > (or your second anchor will just dangle when the tide comes in). > 2) It doesn't work very well with Danforth type anchors. > 3) On some bottoms it just plain doesn't work. > > I started using this technique on a boat that would tack at anchor so > badly that my crew threatened to sue for whiplash. I haven't anchored > out on my new M-17 so I don't know if it's necessary. > > Jim Poulakis > "Spirit" M-17 #648 > > On May 1, 2008, at 2:57 PM, wrote: > >> Jerry, >> >> Maybe you got a defective copy? *grin* >> >> I don't recall Busca sailing at anchor either. The only time I can >> recall >> moving about is when the wind was light and/or the tide/current came >> into >> play. And then the time in the Chesapeake when we dragged during a >> thunderstorm and my 11# Bruce couldn't hold a half-dozen plus rafted up >> boats. Of course, then we didn't sail around, we just slowly moved >> backwards. >> >> 11# Bruce + 17' of 5/16" chain + 3/8" three strand nylon. >> >> Tod >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> jerry >> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:43 PM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy >> >> I'm curious about this also. I've spent many nites on the hook in >> Mexico >> and Catalina Isl, and don't ever remember the boat sailing around; >> this is >> with a 17 and a 15 also. What am I doing wrong? >> >> I wonder if it could be something as simple as the amount of scope and >> chain? I used 5/16" chain, and about 30 feet of it. I tried my best >> to >> avoid rough anchorages, but if there was any chop at all I ran the >> line down >> thru the trailer eye as someone else mentioned. Otherwise I tied it >> off on >> the bow cleat and led the line around the puplit, which would make it >> off >> center by at least a foot. I normally left the rudder down and lashed >> on >> center. Only other thing I can think of would be the boom awning, >> which >> would add some drag aft. I normally raised the CB, but that was to >> keep it >> from banging back and forth. >> >> I really can't think of any other possible factors! I have used >> several >> different boats and had no problem with any. >> >> Jerry >> jerrymontgomery.org >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Diebert" >> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:15 AM >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy >> >> >>> That's not a good bit of info Gary. You got me all depressed first >>> thing >>> this morning....~:0) >>> >>> The thing that really brought this to light for me was a night on the >>> hook >>> two summers ago. I wind shift turned my anchorage uncomfortable. As I >> always >>> do I take bearings on fixed points and keep checking to be sure I am >>> not >>> dragging. Every time I poked my head out the hatch I saw something >>> new and >>> wondered if the wind was shifting that badly. A motor boat dropped in >> this >>> bay later in the evening. His boat tracked straight into the >>> wind...like a >>> bird dog. At first I thought he had a stern anchor....but no. Got me >>> wondering why PUFF sailed all over the place and he did not. That's >>> when I >>> figured it was the off-center (no bow roller) condition. I went to the >>> trouble of making a centering harness on the pulpit and kept it as >>> low as >>> possible. No difference. >>> I will try all the other ideas mentioned as I get a chance. >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >>> Gary M >>> Hyde >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:57 PM >>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy >>> >>> Tim: >>> I've owned 4 sailboats and they all tacked back and forth on the hook. >>> --Gary Hyde >>> 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' >>> We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. >>> Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life. >>> >>> On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Tim Diebert wrote: >>>> The stubbiness of the 17 means it will be a lot more frisky in any >>>> kind of >>>> lumpy water of course. >>>> I find that the lapstrakes...the faux laps....tend to make a lot of >>>> little >>>> noises with even the slightest water action. I drives me wacky to >>>> tell you >>>> the truth. >>>> Another thing I have noticed about the 17 is that she tends to >>>> 'sail' when >>>> on the hook. Rather than nose to wind she tends to wander back and >>>> forth >>>> within a 45 degree quadrant. Because of this she can get a slight >>>> sideways >>>> roll going at times. I am going to try a small riding sail when at >>>> anchor >>>> for night. >>>> My wife an I can both sleep in the V berth....simutaineously. But it >>>> is a >>>> bit tight. We decided to work on the cockpit tent more and rig a big >>>> berth >>>> in the cockpit in the future. One in the V berth, one outside. The >>>> tent >>>> prototype is partway done. >>>> When I cruise by myself it is perfectly roomy and suitable for many >>>> days no >>>> problem. I have also spent over a week with my wife on the >>>> boat.....and we >>>> are still married...though she has told me it won't be happening >>>> again. ~:0) >>>> >>>> Cheers, Tim D in BC. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >>>> Joe >>>> Murphy >>>> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:05 PM >>>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>>> Subject: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy >>>> >>>> I'm looking at the M17 as a next boat and have taken note on how >>>> seaworthy >>>> they are. In addition, I'm wondering what you all have to say about >>>> anchoring out. I like doing overnighters in and around the Beaufort >>>> NC area >>>> >>>> which means a lot of 2-3 foot seas. My experiences have been aboard >>>> a >>>> NorSea 27. >>>> >>>> Thanks much, >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG. >>>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1399 - Release Date: >>>> 4/26/2008 >>>> 2:17 PM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1408 - Release Date: >>> 4/30/2008 >>> 6:10 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1409 - Release Date: >>> 5/1/2008 >> 8:39 AM >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1400 - Release Date: >> 4/27/2008 >> 9:39 AM >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1400 - Release Date: >> 4/27/2008 >> 9:39 AM >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 63, Issue 3 > *********************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Back to work after baby-how do you know when you're ready? http://lifestyle.msn.com/familyandparenting/articleNW.aspx?cp-documentid=579 7498&ocid=T067MSN40A0701A _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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