It's not so much the crowd..... it's the beer!! Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob From California" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:40 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: SF Bay Sail, and Cockpit drain config.
> > Joe....I will install them on Monday. It's a good choice if your sailing a > crowd. > > Bob > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected]> >> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:27:45 -0400> Subject: Re: M_Boats: SF Bay Sail, >> and Cockpit drain config.> > Bob,> I wasn't aware of this situation. Is >> the option for the 2 valves too late > for Sea Frog??> Joe> ----- >> Original Message ----- > From: "Bob From California" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > >> <[email protected]>> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 >> 11:59 AM> Subject: Re: M_Boats: SF Bay Sail, and Cockpit drain config.> > >> > >> > We know that a cockpit full of people will squat the boat so we >> offer an > > upgrade with positive> > shut off capabilites. What we do >> offer are 2 Forespar 1.5 inch Marelon > > Ball Valves that can simply be >> levered to the off position to prevent any > > water at all coming thru >> the cockpit drains. A photo of this option is > > here:> >> > >> http://www.montgomeryboats.com/photodym.php?startIdx=96> >> > It is in >> the aft locker. For others who sail with several people and gear > > >> (icechest. fuel tank, heavy outboard) I think having a couple of rubber > >> > plugs shoved in the cockpit wall drain holes works well.> >> > We offer >> this option (the Forespar ball valve) to everyone.> >> > I think the >> design elevation of the cockpit floor is good; but nothing is > > going >> to keep water from backwashing or seeking it's own level when the > > >> boat is loaded with people and the associated weight of> > the outboard, >> fuel, anchor/rode, mother-inlaw and the dog. Once the cockit > > floor is >> below the waterline> > you will have a backwash situation.> >> > Even if >> the drains were in the floor and went straight down (below the > > >> waterline) it wouldn't keep an aft> > loaded boats cockpit dry. That's >> why I prefer to simply raise the seat on > > the fuel tank locker and >> lever> > the marelon ball valves to the off position. No water can enter >> at all.> >> > Fair winds> > Bob> > (949) 489-8227> >> >> >> >> >> From: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:01:05 -0700> To: > >> >> [email protected]> Subject: Re: M_Boats: SF Bay Sail, >> > >> and Cockpit drain config.> > A trip to Angel Island would make the > >> >> perfect overnight shakedown > cruise for Spirit. It will force me to > >> >> install that Seacook stove I > bought a month ago (I hate drilling >> holes > >> in new boats).> > And a tip on Whale one-way valves if you are >> > >> considering them: They > don't work - at least not on the newer >> M-17s > >> with the drain hoses > running through the transom. Spirit's >> cockpit is > >> constantly awash in > backed-up seawater. Singlehanding >> draws only a cup > >> of water (I'm > 6'4" 220# and there's a 60# 4hp >> Merc hanging off the > >> stern bracket). > With three full-sized adults >> in the cockpit the amount > >> of water > sloshing around on the cockpit >> sole gets ankle deep on the > >> leeward > side when beating to windward. >> I'd call this a design flaw but > >> the > current drain configuration is >> NOT how Lyle Hess originally > >> designed it.> > My advice is that If >> your below-the-waterline > >> through-hull > configuration keeps the >> water out then stick with the > >> basic design, > but upgrade the >> materials it if they are suspect.> > And, > >> if anyone out there is >> contemplating ordering a new M-17, work > out a > >> cockpit drainage >> solution that obeys the laws of physics.> > Jim> M-17 > >> "Spirit"> > On >> Jun 23, 2008, at 11:09 PM, Michael Ray Wisely wrote:> > > > >> Hey Jim,> >> >> > I'm sailing in my front yard right now. I hope to get > >> "Meg" >> ready > > by late> > July, early August. I'm going to pull the CB > >> >> and I'm replacing all > > the> > exterior teak. Just got back from buying >> > >> the wood...Teak is at a > > whopping> > $26 a board ft. >> yikes...decided > >> to bite the bullet, so I guess I > > can't> > >> complain.> > I want to do > >> the Angel Island overnight as one of my >> first sails > > when we are> > > >> shipshape, but I will get up with you >> when we get her ready.> >> > Now:> > >> >> > Here's a question for >> everyone out there. My M-17 #383 has the > > > >> drains that> > are >> attached to hoses and exit thru and under the > >> waterline. This > > >> concerned> > me when I first saw it, but they have > >> appeared to work >> fine in the> > relatively calm conditions that I have > >> been in so >> far. Any reason > > to think> > it is not good the way it is?> > >> >> > >> I read a lot of info on changing/re-working cockpit drains. Is > > > >> >> there any> > reason to?> >> >> > Any thoughts?> >> > Wish I was sailing > >> >> right now.> >> > Soon.> >> > Michael Ray> > M17 The "MEG"> > SF Bay> >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________> > > >> >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________> > >> >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > >> _______________________________________________> > >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > >> > > > _______________________________________________> >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
