Hello
It hasn't released over in my neck of the woods as yet (North of England)
but there is a very large student population her (Aged 18 - 23), and they
seem extremely keen to see it. I rarely get time to go to the cinema
myself so will wait until it releases on DVD. I am 36 and have patience.
And how can I not see it eventually, after all this hoo-hah on the list?
That would be remiss of me, surely. And I hate to comment on films I haven't
set eyes on, my darlings.
I have loved the cut and thrust of all the posts as it's been a lively few
days.
Sue - a big thank you for raising the issue of New Orleans and Willy Nagin.
Off Topic it may be, but I think it's frightening and will do nothing to
unite a community that has suffered so tragically.
Shelly
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Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:11:13 -0600
I'd be curious to see what age group is going to see this film. My 17
year old son, along with about 20 of his friends (boy and girl) went to
see this film and thought it was "cool." Sometimes he makes Ed and I
feel like dinosaurs. His choice of movies (and music for that matter),
didn't come from us. But Ed keeps reminding me that he is 3 months shy
of being 18 and that he has to start making his own choices. But what
was really surprising was that the girls liked it as much as the guys.
I know that I'm old and have always been squeamish, but this film looked
incredibly bloody and violent. When I asked how disgusting it was, my
son just sort of shrugged and said I wouldn't like it. No kidding!!!
Anyway, I believe in personal responsibility and don't believe in
censorship. I will censor what I don't like. But I'm beginning to
wonder if there isn't something to the line of thought about violent
video games, tv shows, etc., desensitizing some people..
OFF TOPIC
I'm sure you've all heard the comments from New Orleans Mayor Ray
Nagin. Well, I guess it's true about publicity. Someone is planning to
make money off of "Willy Nagin and the Chocolate Factory" T-shirts
(http://www.imnotchocolate.com/). This would be funny if it wasn't for
the fact that there is a huge racial divide happening down here which is
doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to help rebuild the area. These ARE NOT the
feelings of most people down here -- black and white -- and hopefully
the rest of the country will understand that.
Sue
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JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia wrote:
Hi Erik
I certainly agree that it is all down to individual tastes - one mans
meat
is another mans posion etc - but I'm just sayng that I cant see the
attraction of extreme horror films. That is purely my personal view. I
would
actually be interested to hear from others about the merits of films like
Cannibal Apocolypse etc. I wonder if others think that these films can
influence minorities or are they just entertainment.
Regards
John
JOHN REID VINTAGE MOVIE MEMORABILIA
PO Box 92
Palm Beach
Qld 4221
Australia
Website: www.moviemem.com
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People watch horror films the same reason some people ride roller
coasters,
or skydive, or watch a sappy tearjerker: it gives them an emotional
stimulus
they enjoy receiving. It's not for everyone.
Tastes are different, and "positive contributions" may be one thing
to you
and another to I. I'll take Tobe Hooper's Texas Chainsaw Massacre over
Citizen Kane any day of the week. Re-Animator trounces Gone With the
Wind
in
my house. Am I supposed to feel somewhat less of a movie fan because
of my
tastes in cinema? Is the fact that I own Cannibal Holocaust supposed to
make
me a sick, depraved prevert, regardless of how "normal" my life is?
I think not. What floats your boat may not work for me, bunky. Such
is the
beauty of choice.
Cheers,
Erik
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I have never been able to understand the fascination with extreme
horror
films or the motivation of those who make them. Perhaps it is just the
cheap
thrill or a perverted form of shock value but it is all a mystery to
me.
I
believe that, despite what some sociologists might claim, there is a
direct
correlation between violence in movies and the many violent and
horrific
crimes that seem to occur daily. I guess those who make these films
will
make money from them but it is a pity that they cannot direct their
talents
into making films that can make a positive contribution.
JOHN REID VINTAGE MOVIE MEMORABILIA
PO Box 92
Palm Beach
Qld 4221
Australia
Website: www.moviemem.com
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From: "Phil Edwards Cinema Arts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] HOSTILE TOWARD HOSTEL
Erik is correct of course, most most notably in his last two paras of
his post.
I probably won't see HOSTEL unless it's as a freebie on DVD down the
track.
I haven't bothered to see remakes of DAWN OF THE DEAD or TCM either.
It's a matter of choice. I can think of a dozen movies that I would
choose head of eitehr of these to watch given the amount of fre
rtime I
have to watch movies these days.
But it has nothing to do with content, although perhaps subject matter
is an issue in making a choice, preferring an "emotional adrenalin
rush"
to a more "visceral adrenalin rush". I like films that disturb me
emotionmally and promote thought about "difficult" emotions over films
that really just make me choke with a gag reflex....
but.... in past there were films like NOTLD DEAD, DAWN OF THE DEAD,
TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE, HALLOWEEN, NIKGHTMARE ON ELM STREET, etc,
etc... and they all received similar commenatry at the time of their
release as films like HOSTEL and SAW receive today.
I'm re-reading David Skal's excellent book THE MONSTER SHOW....
essential reading for serious horror fans as are all of David's
books.... and guess what? The contemporary 1932 critical quotes to
FREAKS and MURDERS IN THE RUE MORGUE could almost be identical,
just by
replacing 'FEAKS' with 'HOSTEL'.
So much of this stuff has to do with changing sensibilities and the
need
every few years for film makers to "revolt" against the kind of
creeping
conservatism that permeates through politics and society and into
popular arts (like film). Why do you think American independent film
makers did such a huge cage rattel in the late 1960s, apart from
protesting another commercially-driven war?
BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN and HOSTEL are likely coming out of the same school
in some ways... the school of WAKE-UP film making. They may achieve a
different aesthetic and through different means, but at least they are
honest in their (quite diverse) intentions/methods, unlike something
like THE PASSION, which was a gorehound movie masquerading as an
uplifting spiritual experience.
Phil
Erik wrote:
I was in attendance at a screening with Eli Roth in Texas not to long
ago, and while I didn't care for Hostel (or Roth's work in general) I
for one am thankful that hard-core (not in the pornographic sense
that
many attatch to the word) horror is making a comeback.
I cut my teeth on the Golden Age of Slasher Films during the late
70's
to the mid 80's and as of late, the genre has become so PC,
watered-down and weak-kneed by catering to the PG-13 teeny-bopper
crowd (as the recent glut of crap with Kevin Williamson's name
attached to it attests) that I thank my bloody stars that a film like
Hostel is even seeing the light of day, much less getting national
distribution. This is nothing more then a drive-in flick at best, and
it's #1 opening was a welcome sight to this ol' gorehound's jaded
retinas.
I'm not delving into the "bad movies/bad tv debate" as it's pointless
here. I'm outnumbered and will surely get trounced by those with more
time (and by those much wordier then I) to make their case.
I'm also thankful *I* am the one deciding what I watch, and not
someone who thinks *they* know what's good or bad.
If it's offensive don't watch.
Cheers,
Erik
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