Fake inserts, LAMP's reply to my questionI am absolutely sure they are fake and
were not produced for use in conjunction with exhibition of the films they
represent - which is what real movie posters are actually produced for.
When these first surfaced in Australia, the Sydney movie poster store that was
selling them tried to sell them to me as the real deal. Obviously, after so
many years (many more than this joker had) handling movie paper it was obvious
that the paper for these inserts was wrong, the printing lacked a certain
finish and the whole thing didn't even pass a good sniffing test (don't all
laugh.... it's still the best way to check a STAR WARS one sheet original!) I
didn't need to start comparing how some of them had different art crops to
absolutely bona fide originals.
He finally owned up they were what they were - repros, and that there was an
inexhaustible supply of them.
This was the same dealer who confidently bought STAR WARS hairy belt repros and
sold them for originals on the basis that people wouldn't know the difference.
$5 each to buy, and sold for anything from $200 - $300 each, depending on how
big the sucker who walked through the door was.
I can't believe we (mostly some of the other dinosaurs who graze here) are even
having this discussion yet again about minty white inserts and trying to
attribute credibility to them in any way, shape or form.
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: Helmut Hamm
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:52 AM
Subject: [MOPO] Fake inserts, LAMP's reply to my question
Please find Ed's reply to my question below.
Helmut
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [MOPO] Fake inserts, an open question to LAMP]
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Hi Helmut,
I apologize for the delay in response to you. Your email was just forwarded
to me this morning. I do not read or go on any of the forums anymore for
several reasons. 1. Our workload has reached such a level that Sue and I are
basically trying to do the work of a full staff. We have also taken on several
court cases that might have an effect on the hobby which has us doing a massive
amount of research. 2. Since Hurricane Katrina, I just don't have the patience
for a lot of debates anymore. Now, lack of common sense sends me into a frenzy.
3. A lot of the debates on the forums just seem to be for the purpose of
argument or mudslinging and I don't have the time or patience to get involved.
( I guess this is a definate sign of getting old)
Now we tell people to just email me direct (my email address is everywhere
on LAMP)... and I am more than happy to respond to any and all personal
discussions when any type of learning (on either side) is the objective.
For your question about the 'minty whites'
I am at a disadvantage on this subject because I have never personally
handled or compared them. BUT I have asked several dealers that I have great
respect for what they thought. I received an indepth answer from Bruce who
stated that he could tell the difference between them in the dark.. that the
feel of the paper was vastly different and the 'minty whites' had the more
slick reproduction feel.
BUT, our stance on the subject is.. that is doesn't matter what we think
about them.... It's what the HOBBY thinks about them. The poster collecting
hobby is based on pure economics. Supply and Demand. If the demand for them is
there, then the price on them will rise no matter what anybody says... BUT if
the hobby has determined that they are 'fakes' (whether they are or not) THEN
the hobby will avoid them, they will not increase and re-selling will become
difficult.
Consequently the dealers or collectors in jeopardy of purchasing them with
the intent of reselling them are the ones that are not informed about them OR
the ones without enough experience to know the difference. - As an example, a
number of years ago, we were called to be an expert witness for a court case
involving Nightmare Before Christmas US one sheets. The value was rising
rapidly and they were fetching $100 each or more at the time. An aggressive
collector found Nightmare Before Christmas one sheets in the Suncoast retail
chain for $15 marked that they were 'original movie posters', so he made his
rounds, I believe over a couple of states buying up the posters. They were
identical from the front because they came from the original plates but they
didn't have the numbers or Disney tag on the back for the posters that were
issued to the theaters. The retail chain gave his money back and changed the
stickers on their posters. The point is... the HOBBY would accept these for the
market value and it took experience and education to tell the difference.
We believe the way to solve problems like this is through education....
Mudslinging and rock throwing only creates MORE mudslinging and rock throwing
and then basically no one wins and the hobby becomes more split. We try to use
LAMP to alert new collectors and dealers that the HOBBY has a problem with
certain types of posters and if they are purchasing for investment, these types
of posters are NOT a good investment.
Currently we place a note on every 'minty white' that has been submitted to
us that there is controversy of that particular poster to alert them... Our tag
reads "Caution There is a lot of controversy between dealers over the Jaws
Insert Poster. Some dealers say that some posters are too 'minty' white to be
original."
We are planning to give a stronger warning on them in the archive... I have
a 'WARNING' section with room for more indepth information about each
individual poster that is in question already programmed into our database....
but I haven't had the time to come back and do some final connections or
writeups to turn it on.
I hope this answers your question to show our point of view. If you have
any others or if there's anything I can do for you, please let me know..
ed
p.s. if you want to post this, that is fine.
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