Well..........I don't know about all the in-fighting going on but I do know that not "everyone who sees one of those minty whites knows they are fake". I have many framing customers who buy those thinking they are originals as stated. Since they might be a new collector or even seasoned collector that isn't on the talk groups and privy to all this wealth of information, they have nothing to compare them against, so they think they are originals. These guys have been selling these minty whites to people for over 5 years. Somebody out there is buying them and they are not all in denial that they got taken!
Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: Dario Casadei<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU<mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fake inserts, LAMP's reply to my question Andy Andy Andy, The fact that you use Mopo as your personal battle field is pretty silly. If you where serious about reaching out, you should have done so on NS4 and to all its members, not on Mopo. The fact that you can not take a snub graciously is pretty sad. Sad sad sad man, Dario. Andy Neal wrote: Hi, You didn't reply here but you have, you don't speak for phil but you are, that all makes sense Ari. (I can see your making it up as you go along - great start) The main reason so much went off is because certain members including yourself couldn't conduct themselves in a mature manner Ari, not because i didn't let people talk, when people got insulting it was time to end the threads. There are ways of making people learn...Ridiculing and being insulting isn't one of them. RE: So don't come along now and say that anyone "ridiculed (you) for not having the experience". MANY TRIED, they all were banned. And the Minty White issue was just one. I never said (i) was the one being ridiculed, but thanks for admitting i was, RE: Many tried and were banned.......Your twisting the truth Ari, both you an I know this! You might not have any rules on your forum, but there are justified ones on mine and that is not going to change. There is obviously no point in me continuing to make peace as your not prepared to listen Ari. Your maturity has shone through once again!! It was a bad idea to try and think you might have reasoned with the whole cross-forum feud. I tried, If your not prepared to make any effort then so be it - you obviously still hold a grudge for your own wrong doing. Out of respect for MOPO and Scott, this is the last I will say on the topic Andy -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:02:03 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fake inserts, LAMP's reply to my question To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU<mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> Hi Andy, As this discussion relates to NS4 and MPF, rather than MOPO, I didn't reply here. Probably or possibly why Phil "carefully avoided" your question - although I don't speak for him. If you want to join NS4, feel free (if you aren't a member already) and we can talk, OR if you want to let NS4 members rejoin MPF, then maybe. Anyway I did reply on NS4 and here's the link: http://p103.ezboard.com/fstylecfrm2.showMessage?topicID=4101.topic<http://p103.ezboard.com/fstylecfrm2.showMessage?topicID=4101.topic> Regarding the Inserts, of course there is no controversy, anyone who has seen one knows they are fake. Anyone who says otherwise owns a lot and wants to sell, OR paid too much for them and is in denial. One of the main reason so much went down at MPF and why people left in droves or were driven out, was because you tried to stifle the views of people who knew, rather than learn. So don't come along now and say that anyone "ridiculed (you) for not having the experience". MANY TRIED, they all were banned. And the Minty White issue was just one. One more thing, a MAKE PEACE statement aimed at just Phil and I is fine, but more important would be towards the many members at NS4 and MOPO who were banned/suspended and deleted. They are your target members, not a couple of grumpy Aussies. All the best, Ari ----- Original Message ---- From: Andy Neal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU<mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> Sent: Tuesday, 12 June, 2007 5:56:02 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fake inserts, LAMP's reply to my question [QUOTE] I can't believe we (mostly some of the other dinosaurs who graze here) are even having this discussion yet again about minty white inserts and trying to attribute credibility to them in any way, shape or form. [/QUOTE] Phil, I think you are missing the point, people need educating not ridiculed for not having the experience or knowledge, you were a new movie poster collector once, remember that.... You carefully avoided my question earlier also. Andy ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:28:55 +1000 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fake inserts, LAMP's reply to my question To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU<mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> I am absolutely sure they are fake and were not produced for use in conjunction with exhibition of the films they represent - which is what real movie posters are actually produced for. When these first surfaced in Australia, the Sydney movie poster store that was selling them tried to sell them to me as the real deal. Obviously, after so many years (many more than this joker had) handling movie paper it was obvious that the paper for these inserts was wrong, the printing lacked a certain finish and the whole thing didn't even pass a good sniffing test (don't all laugh.... it's still the best way to check a STAR WARS one sheet original!) I didn't need to start comparing how some of them had different art crops to absolutely bona fide originals. He finally owned up they were what they were - repros, and that there was an inexhaustible supply of them. This was the same dealer who confidently bought STAR WARS hairy belt repros and sold them for originals on the basis that people wouldn't know the difference. $5 each to buy, and sold for anything from $200 - $300 each, depending on how big the sucker who walked through the door was. I can't believe we (mostly some of the other dinosaurs who graze here) are even having this discussion yet again about minty white inserts and trying to attribute credibility to them in any way, shape or form. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: Helmut Hamm<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU<mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:52 AM Subject: [MOPO] Fake inserts, LAMP's reply to my question Please find Ed's reply to my question below. Helmut Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [MOPO] Fake inserts, an open question to LAMP] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Helmut, I apologize for the delay in response to you. Your email was just forwarded to me this morning. I do not read or go on any of the forums anymore for several reasons. 1. Our workload has reached such a level that Sue and I are basically trying to do the work of a full staff. We have also taken on several court cases that might have an effect on the hobby which has us doing a massive amount of research. 2. Since Hurricane Katrina, I just don't have the patience for a lot of debates anymore. Now, lack of common sense sends me into a frenzy. 3. A lot of the debates on the forums just seem to be for the purpose of argument or mudslinging and I don't have the time or patience to get involved. ( I guess this is a definate sign of getting old) Now we tell people to just email me direct (my email address is everywhere on LAMP)... and I am more than happy to respond to any and all personal discussions when any type of learning (on either side) is the objective. For your question about the 'minty whites' I am at a disadvantage on this subject because I have never personally handled or compared them. BUT I have asked several dealers that I have great respect for what they thought. I received an indepth answer from Bruce who stated that he could tell the difference between them in the dark.. that the feel of the paper was vastly different and the 'minty whites' had the more slick reproduction feel. BUT, our stance on the subject is.. that is doesn't matter what we think about them.... It's what the HOBBY thinks about them. The poster collecting hobby is based on pure economics. Supply and Demand. If the demand for them is there, then the price on them will rise no matter what anybody says... BUT if the hobby has determined that they are 'fakes' (whether they are or not) THEN the hobby will avoid them, they will not increase and re-selling will become difficult. Consequently the dealers or collectors in jeopardy of purchasing them with the intent of reselling them are the ones that are not informed about them OR the ones without enough experience to know the difference. - As an example, a number of years ago, we were called to be an expert witness for a court case involving Nightmare Before Christmas US one sheets. The value was rising rapidly and they were fetching $100 each or more at the time. An aggressive collector found Nightmare Before Christmas one sheets in the Suncoast retail chain for $15 marked that they were 'original movie posters', so he made his rounds, I believe over a couple of states buying up the posters. They were identical from the front because they came from the original plates but they didn't have the numbers or Disney tag on the back for the posters that were issued to the theaters. The retail chain gave his money back and changed the stickers on their posters. The point is... the HOBBY would accept these for the market value and it took experience and education to tell the difference. We believe the way to solve problems like this is through education.... Mudslinging and rock throwing only creates MORE mudslinging and rock throwing and then basically no one wins and the hobby becomes more split. We try to use LAMP to alert new collectors and dealers that the HOBBY has a problem with certain types of posters and if they are purchasing for investment, these types of posters are NOT a good investment. Currently we place a note on every 'minty white' that has been submitted to us that there is controversy of that particular poster to alert them... Our tag reads "Caution There is a lot of controversy between dealers over the Jaws Insert Poster<http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/poster.asp?pid=2041>. Some dealers say that some posters are too 'minty' white to be original." We are planning to give a stronger warning on them in the archive... I have a 'WARNING' section with room for more indepth information about each individual poster that is in question already programmed into our database.... but I haven't had the time to come back and do some final connections or writeups to turn it on. I hope this answers your question to show our point of view. If you have any others or if there's anything I can do for you, please let me know.. ed p.s. if you want to post this, that is fine. Galerie filmposter.net Inh. 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