Let's get politics off of MOPO. Now.
Kirby
On Oct 12, 2008, at 418PM, Freedom Lover wrote:
What needs to happen, Tom, is that those who made purchases they
couldn't afford should lose their credit and go into foreclosure.
People who bit off more than they could chew have to hold themselves
responsible for their own foolishness. What about those of us who
worked our tails off for years, didn't screw up, and now have the
American Dream? Should WE be made responsible for the failures of
others who made irresponsible choices? Should WE be penalized for
doing it right?
Should we give up OUR reward and say, well, it's not the people's
fault. It's the mortgage company's fault? Sorry, Tom, not me. It
takes two to tango. Whoever f**ked up gets to clean up, IMO.
We have corrupt politicians, and lazy greedy citizens who have that
'gimme gimme' attitude. Many act as if they're entitled! I ask
you, IN WHAT LIFE? At least McCain will hurt the responsible guys
less and hold the losers more accountable.
The exceptions to the rule:
1.Those who lost everything due to medical bills and illnesses.
THEY should be helped out out of compassion. They didn't do
anything wrong or stupid.
2. Veterans - You risk your life for me; I owe you and am grateful.
3. Weather - People should be helped to rebuild, but NOT in the same
questionable area.
(IMO, if BO wanted to be POTUS, he'd have offered veep to Hillary
eons ago. This proves to me, it wasn't about doing what's best for
America. It was about his ego and lust for power.) With McCain, we
still might not drill and I'm working with many groups to fend that
off. Doesn't matter what Palin wants. With Barack, we still MAY
drill, because he can pushed. If Bush couldn't overturn Roe v.
Wade, then it's not an issue.
I'm an avid environmentalist, but I'm more into morality than
anything else. McCain is simply more honorable and his love for
America is obvious. My groups and I will simply work around him.
I am done speaking about politics on MoPo. It's the one place
Barack Obama can't shove his face in my space! Please let's keep
them off our sacred site. Perusing posters is one of my ways to
relax.
Sorry for the inconvenience everyone. Please return to having a
lovely day.
Andrea
On Oct 12, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Tom Martin wrote:
Andrea- regardless of our opinions on who did what,,, I suggest
that we all work together,,,
In case you dont agree all the politictions of skeletons in the
closet,,, Like the Palin stuff....
the TV show host tells people to sell ( Kramer) and so is that fact?
I think we need to band together democrats and republicans and
Americans alike to solve th USA woes.
BOTH parties are Guilty of Mud-slinging... and lies... and if we
tear each other apart or On Mopo
not relize that the economy and the world eventa are not a big part
of the effect on our business and lives
then we miss the entire point,
Andrea.. to say im Rude is dissapointing... this is serious stuff
and this next month will have a great effect on your and my Life
and Mopos business people and collectors.
The current Crisis has nothing to do with Hillary,,,,, matter of
fact what I propose is instead of name calling and basically each
side destroying the other, we see that as a country we need to get
on track and do something,,
As for tax the crap out of anyone... Ive been listening and anyone
that makes 250K or less will not see a change and will actually
get a reduction..
As for people that spend 1000's on this Hobby if it is only a samll
elite segment that is in that Bracket of over 250 a year , I have
to saide with the middle class that is the foundation of all
purchasing of the Big Box stores,
Housing,entertainment,
To make nasty, sarcastic, derogatory remarks about the voteing and
to mis-align and make acusations
and summery judgement about any of these political people is the
problem and why we in my opinion are floundering.
Ive listened to Your opinion Andrea on many topics on the list and
never to my knowledge called you Rude
or spoke with disrespect.
I have made my comments from a personal perspects to provoke
thought , and positive results for all.
I disagree with You..
I made my comments based on my respect for all mankind,, and
everyone and because I would like to see
the country get some balance and the world also get some balance.
If Both partys would focus on solutions instead of tearing each
other credentials apart .. we may get some balnce.. either party
can also start working together once we get a new president.
the anger and name calling and mud slinging is what is making the
race confusing to all the voters,
accusatins.. and all this propoganda.. ffrom either side,... is
Not good for anyone.
I wont speak about this politicle anymore - I was just excited as
Brack will be here 4 days and I thought
it was interesting. OHIO is the 6th hardest hit in unemployment in
USA also in Mortgage loss.
So this is a important time because we will all be effectly greatly
in the next month!!
This week will be very volitile in the market...
all the best to You Andrea.
best, Tom
Freedom Lover wrote:
Part of my coming to MoPo is to escape the bs from the Dems,
ACORN, and the creep they selected to be the US Puppet. His kind
of change will tax the crap out of the people who spend thousands
of dollars on this hobby, Tom!
Since I kept my passion for Hillary off MoPo this WHOLE TIME out
of respect for all of you, I expect the same. Tom, if you feel
that strongly, use one of his quotes at your sign-off, like I do.
But have the respect to NOT put him in the body of your message,
as I often read what you have to say and don't need that fool in
my face on a lovely Sunday morning!!! That was RUDE!
If you need to vote, he has plenty extra names you can use that he
pretends to not know about. Better yet, email ACORN and they'll
send you a whole city block of names. Don't forget, they take pets
and corpses, too!
Andrea
On Oct 12, 2008, at 9:28 AM, Tom Martin wrote:
Hello Mopo- Thought I would give a veiw from what I have seen in
last year as far as whats happening
in many sectors of our business
I started in 1977 and have seen several shake outs as far as
recessions. Movie memorabilia and collectables,
or diversions have typically been a refuge or escape for people
during rough times. Vintage material seems
to be pretty safe as investment however high ticket items can
soften as people have less money. The wealthy
it appears however are being hurt this round as they invested in
stock market and portfolios that were in mutual funds.
As far as assets the real estate seems to have been a fluffed up
investment loseing 30-60% value in the last year.
My House ( bought from Leyman bros.. was bought at 115K and is
worth at monent would guess.. 80 k and was financed
at 8.5 at 30 years fixed. Not a brilliant investment and only
grace was it was zero down.
Politically - Barack Obama is going to be here-( Toledo, Ohio)
for 4 days at the maumee state park resort giving a speech
tommorrow and he will prepare for the last debate. here
I was at 1st for Barack and then I became confused as Both sides
presented great arguments and also
they both cast doubt on each others abilitys,, But this last week
when McCain defended Barack and said
we need not be afraid that hes a good honest man, I relized that
they both were brave to want to lead this country and that it
actually would be great if they worked together to achieve unity
and to fix the Usa
economic woes. They can as tey are both senators even after the
race in over so they can help each other.
So either way it turns out they should work together as Both has
a passion for this country. For me Barack has
endured so many attacks on his Faith, his color, his family
history, his past association with people
and the radical in question seemd to be a anti veitnam war radical.
well back in the 60's the hippies and people that wanted the war
to stop,, where considered radicals.. But
they wanted the killing to stop...At Kent state university in
OHIO 4 -protesters where shot and killed by
Ohio Gaurd troops because they stood up and rebelled.. against
the WAR .. so Did the people at the Boston tea party... and
the entire USA was founded by Rebels that wanted to have thier
own country. The country is a melting POT
of every religion, and culture and ethnic group. That is why we
have so much diversity. If you look historically in so many
areas like engineering, and creative areas we have been a merger
of all countrys
and all peoples... Not one but all...( One nation , with Liberty
and Justice for ALL) Look at the space program NASA,
entertainment, autos, electronics//
heck Ebay, computers , medical..aircraft, Foods,
telecommunication// we have been leaders and innovators in all
sectors along with allies in other areas.
I see it as we just need to see that its time that the world come
together as we will clearly see this week we are all
linked by a financial, energy and ecology and dependence on
each other that is a good thing.. because sure there are some with
differances in how to live but that has been since age of time.
We now have the ability to communicate and work
together in a way never before seen and have the technology to
correct the worlds issues if we work in a unified world that
would address health care on a global level. peace on a global
level.
The recent events and the financial meltdown prove that we all
need each other globally .. and that greed does not work. PERIOD.
If we find new energy solutions in wind and solar ( Toledos
Xunlight is the world leader and also First Solar)
So we can make a differance, we can make a change and if we do
as our forefathers did and to get to work
and forge ahead we will survive any clamity either man-made or by
nature.
So.... In summery --- I missed getting registared to vote.... as
I was so damn undecided.... and i was frustrated.... so yesterday
I thought what can I do to help? well... I thought Ill get some
signs and go to the rally monday..
well went there and it was two blocks of people waiting...... so
I came home... and thought.... well I could donate some items
like a megaphone, clapper and clock.... and maybe that would
inspire Barack to see some support
and would give him and the campaign crew some fun.. So I hopped
in the Car and went to the headquarters and said
well heres some stuff all MADE IN USA in TOLEDO , OHIO ... and
where's the yard signs?? they were out of signs... and out of
tickets to the rally..... so I at least tryed... and perhaps
if we all just do what we can no matter how small maybe we will
get Change.
I feel so lucky to be able to have a business and a chance to
pursue the american dream. I wish everyone on Mopo health and
peace and success.
Tom
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