Thanks to everyone for the kind words. But to be honest, I wish we didn't have to spend so much time discussing "fakes" -- I like focusing on positive things about this great hobby. As relates to our fake report dealing with the minty whites, we have received information that Dan Rickert and Bob Brooks were the first to bring the matter of these posters to the attention of collectors. Ed has corrected the opening statement of our report in the minty white section to give credit to Dan and Bob for their research efforts and for initially bringing this matter out in the open. Susan LearnAboutMoviePosters.com <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com>
_____ From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Heim Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 03:13 To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] LAMP throws real light on forgeries You are right, though, Richard to mention Dan and Bob. It was their hard work that brought the "minty white" posters to the forefront. People were talking about those posters for awhile. They took it steps further to give supportive evidence of their "fakeness", much to the chagrin of Professor Powers! Sue www.hollywoodposterframes.com _____ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:40:26 +0100 From: evan...@blueyonder.co.uk Subject: Re: [MOPO] LAMP throws real light on forgeries To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU My previous comment about sources of info on minty whites came across rather shittier than was intended. Motivated more by research being a valuable marketing tool for poster sellers in adding credibility, rather than a deliberate pop a Sue and Ed. I have also spoken to Ed lately, and had really enjoyable conversations about the recent goings on. LAMP's work much valued here too. There, I'll try and shut up for a bit. On 21 Oct 2009, at 19:32, Jeff Potokar wrote: I will certainly second or third or fourth those same thoughts and sentiments. I have had the opportunity to talk to Ed, and we spoke for almost 2 hours on a wide variety of poster topics. he is more than willing to explain and, yes, the hours put into LAMP, the cross indexing and the cross-cross indexing and referencing are truly a remarkable labor of love. The most recent newsletter, publishing the list of known fakes and keeping everyone up to date, is fantastic; i also wanted to extend a public thank you!! all the best. Jeff On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Susan Heim wrote: You know, Ed and Sue do so much for this hobby that, for the most part, goes unseen and is a thankless job, not to mention unprofitable. (Hey a guys got to pay his rent). They are still trying to recover from Katrina. These are two of the nicest people you would ever want to meet and have such great senses of humor, which always tells me alot about a person. I just wanted to publicly join JR and the many others that have done so in thanking them for all the countless hours and days of hard work on this hobby's behalf. They aren't doing it to sell posters or increase their revenue, but to provide all of us in this hobby with as current and truthful information as possible. Thank you so much, both of you, for all your hard work. Sue www.hollywoodposterframes.com <http://www.hollywoodposterframes.com/> _____ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:46:13 -0500 From: s...@learnaboutmovieposters.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] LAMP throws real light on forgeries To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU J.R. Thanks for the kind words. We have posted our latest newsletter <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/NewSite/LAGNIAPPE/LAMPPOST/Newsletter .asp> which focuses on the Universal horror fakes AS WELL AS other fakes and/or potential fakes. In addition to the ongoing updates involving the Universal horror fakes, we have prepared a different "Fake <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/NewSite/INDEX/ARTICLES/FAKES.asp> Movie Poster Report" that addresses other fakes or potential fakes including information on the S2 Art Group with a listing of the titles that S2 has released so far; the "minty whites" with a listing of the titles provided to us by Bruce Hershenson and David Lieberman as well as the excellent comparison report prepared by Bruce; a listing of the Hammer quads and the new lobby cards that pose a potential problem for collectors confusing these with original issues; the Zanart lobby cards that are being sold as originals, etc. We are marking these titles in the Cinema Poster Archive as well. We have two links on the home page. The "neon" boxed link is for the update on the Universal Horror fakes and the associated lawsuits. The Fake Movie Poster Report link is located on the right under "General Info" titled FAKES and addresses the general area of fakes on the market. If anyone would like to contribute to these articles, please let us know and we will be happy to credit the information appropriately. Susan LearnAboutMoviePosters.com <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/> _____ From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of James Richard Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 03:29 To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] LAMP throws real light on forgeries I just want to take a moment to compliment Sue and Ed of LAMP on the *outstanding* job they are doing in cataloging the information of the forgery issues(s) and staying on top of things and updating the info on their site so often. They have complied something as close to the "master list" of known fakes that we have. Also, the info on some of the detection techniques (such as the use of black light) is very helpful. As is the note that the paper used in the high-end reproductions by s2art.com does *not* glow under blacklight because unlike most other modern papers, S2 uses specialty "old style" rag paper from France (yet another reason why an S2 repro can be effectively used as the base for creating a forgery). Thank you, American Film Institute, for helping raise poster forgery to new heights... But a genuine, non-ironic Thank You goes to Ed and Sue for all the work they are doing on this issue. -- JR Steven F. Poole wrote: Hi Susan- Thanks for the link to the update (I had not seen it). Ed and yourself (as well as Bruce H.) seem to be the only places where new information is being given to the collecting community. Thanks for your service in this. Best, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Poole <mailto:s...@learnaboutmovieposters.com> To: 'Steven F. Poole' <mailto:stand...@ll.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:19 PM Subject: RE: [MOPO] Status of the Universal Horror forgeries? Hi Steven This is Susan from LAMP (LearnAboutMoviePosters.com <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/> ). Although not much is being posted there are a lot of things happening in this area. We are doing our best to keep up with the changes as they happen. We have a report on LAMP which is updated as we receive new information. You can get to it from the home page (it's the button in neon). Here <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/newsite/INDEX/ARTICLES/Frauds-Update. htm> is the link. We have compiled a list of the titles mentioned in the two lawsuits and titles submitted to us from other sources such as other collectors, John Davis at postermountain, etc. As we get new titles, we will keep adding to the list. You will see the link to the list on the report. This is by no means complete. There is an active FBI investigation going on and we have been in regular contact with Special Agent Michael P. Mullahy. However, we will not post any information related directly to the investigation unless Agent Mullahy asks us to. For example, he asked that we post his contact information for anyone who believes that they may have a fake poster from the parties named in the lawsuits. This is where he is focusing at this time. His contact information is in the report should you determine that you have a fake poster from these parties. Obviously, Agent Mullahy does not want any of the details of the investigation posted at this time. We were also informed by one of the experts examining these fakes that SOMETIMES you can tell if the poster is fake by passing a black light over it. This is particularly true with the one sheets. Newer paper (paper from the 1980's to present) will usually give off a glow unless it is covered by paint. In the case of these fakes, most of the posters were airbrushed over the entire posters. However, there were some specific areas that were too small to airbrush and this left a spot which glowed. You will find more info on this an a picture in the report. There were also new pleadings filed in the lawsuits this past week. Ron Magid has filed an answer to the counterclaim filed by Haggard in the Magid v. Haggard lawsuit. In the Gresham v. Haggardlawsuit, Jamie Mendez has filed a motion to dismiss the claims against him. Again, a summary of these pleadings can be found on the report. Because LAMP is an informational site, we will only post information that we can confirm from either a reliable source or from documentation, such as in the legal proceedings. I believe that Bruce Hershenson is including reports in his newsletters so you may want to check there as well. 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