i am not dragging this out.............. i am accepting my loss. i am just answering question people on this site. had seller been more responsive initially, and more responsible, MOPO never would have heard about this. this site got his to finally answer michael
In a message dated 10/7/2011 7:34:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Sheesh....why don't you just ask the dealer for a partial refund and keep the damn poster. This isn't rocket science. So much whining and complaining. Either keep the poster or tell the seller you expect him to pay your cost for shipping it back. He sounds like a reasonable person. What's the problem here? Things like this happen on eBay all the time. You've gotten solutions from a bunch of different sources, but it seems as if you'd rather just sit there and complain..... In a message dated 10/7/2011 4:03:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: after the poster was folded with the studio folds, it was folded again...............hence 4 exta fold lines. but these fold lines have lots and lots of crumpling around them............ In a message dated 10/7/2011 6:44:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: how much in value could a $40 poster decrease? was this insert folded in quarters as normal, and then folded in half again (about a 5" x 14" rectangle)? is that how it got 4 extra folds? or are the extra folds just where it was originally folded and then sloppily folded back creating an extra? ----- Original Message ----- From: _Michael B_ (mailto:[email protected]) To: [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] 4 extra folds? 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 extra undisclosed folds when i first wrote, i thought people might comment about the decrease in value due to 4 extra folds. over the last year, i was outbid twice......once with a bidding war------on bruce's site for an insert. i recall, the poster selling at bruce's site for about 130 amd 180. (and you know his pictures are clear and he adds words when there are extra folds) a few months ago, an ebay seller...........very honest------------listed the same insert for 69.99. he disclosed 4 extra folds. you can also see the folds in the images. the poster never sold at 69.99. i would have grabbed it at that price, had there been no extra folds. the seller has re-listed the poster at a very, very low start price. KNOWING THE DEFECT, which the seller disclosed both in words and photographs, this time will sell. i will be a bidder. but i wouldn't want to bid, win, and then open a package and be surprised. we bid based on condition. when condition is not disclosed, prices get inflated. as to your questions rich------------i paid high for the title......it did not sell for a long time. so people believing it was near mint as i did, dint think it was a good value. now, with this defect, it is worth a lot less................... and seller is not cooperating in the return. i am about to just end it, take my loss........... michael In a message dated 10/7/2011 6:18:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: John, I disagree if a seller has mis-described or not properly reported condition issues that should be noted if not visible, then I believe (as I'm sure does Bruce, Sean and most dealers) that I should be paying return shipping - unless some other deal was worked out like a small discount, replacement etc. the buyer might not have bid as much or at all if the condition was properly described, so that would on my head, not my customer's. if a seller on ebay tells me he won't accept returns for instance under any circumstances, I don't care if he has a Double Indemnity 1 sheet up that's about to close for $1000. I'm not bidding, because I'm not going to consider putting up with any bullshyte similarly, if the seller says I accept returns if I incorrectly described, but you pay shipping and I will not refund your other shipping either.. I'm telling that dealer to kiss my lily white a$$ and I'm taking my dollars elsewhere If a buyer after receipt says "Hey, you didn't do anything wrong, but I find that I don't like this piece as much as I thought I might and I would like to return it", I happily take return, but shipping in neither direction will be refunded. I will not take any other action against the buyer. he may bid freely in the future. if the buyer after receipt says "you f*cking suck and I want to return this".. well that gets back to the lily white thingy Rich At 03:05 PM 10/7/2011, JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia wrote: Just another point about this. The issue seems to be about whether the seller should pay for return shipping. eBay actually requires all sellers to specify a return policy and also to indicate who pays for the poster to be sent back. Surely it should be just a case of checking the sellers policy which is clearly displayed in the listing. If the listing says that the seller won't pay for return shipping then they shouldnt be expected to change their policy. ----- Original Message ----- From: _Richard Halegua Comic Art_ (mailto:[email protected]) To: [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] 4 extra folds? 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 extra undisclosed folds Michael are you telling me that the dealer wouldn't pay for your shipping cost or that maybe he got irritated at you after your messages/MoPo and told you to f*ck off? or are you saying you feel you got a good enough price in buying it that you don't want to return it? It makes a world of difference which of these 3 situations is the answer if the latter is the case Michael, then I don't see why you say you were "burnt" or that you will "take a hit" if the latter is not the case, then something isn't right Rich At 02:42 PM 10/7/2011, Michael B wrote: not at all. it was never my intent to embarrass the mega-dealer-seller. my posting was merely to get the seller to respond, if he were a MOPO member. the picture of the poster on ebay looks near mint....even hard to see the studio folds. i was burnt and disappointed in this transaction......... i repeat: the picture of the poster on ebay looks mint....even hard to see the studio folds. ....no hint of extra fold on the photo.......but offensive in person. looks like i will take a hit on this one, because when i sell it, i will disclose the defects. easy for those who don't get slapped to say to the other to turn the other cheek. michael In a message dated 10/7/2011 4:56:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Fascinating is all I can say. This buyer who complained so loudly has now gone completely silent and turned his mute button on. Why? And with still no links to this incorrectly described (4 4 4 folded) poster, and no response to those that questioned, criticized and commented on his premature outburst towards a seller who was/is willing to work with him-- speaks volumes about this individual's own integrity and transparency. I see he also occasionally lists a number of posters for sale on ebay, with every color in the rainbow used in the descriptive fonts (psychedelic trip?). Let's just hope that each and every flaw on those posters have been accurately disclosed. I am willing to bet that there are small imperfections that have not been seen and therefore, not disclosed. And if someone found an undisclosed flaw and wanted to return a purchased poster to him, would this seller pay for return shipping and/or take a price reduction decided by the unhappy buyer? -KL On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Michael B <[email protected]> wrote: > when a poster is "not as described" or has undisclosed defects, it should be > the seller that paye the return postage? > > i am waiting for the seller to confirm this. > > i was happy to see that the seller read my posting on MOPO, and responded, > but he needs to confirm that he will pay the return postage. > > michael > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at _www.filmfan.com_ (http://www.filmfan.com/) > ___________________________________________________________________ How to > UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: > [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF > MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. 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