For Christie's to be "unaware" of other copies of "The Outlaw" is just one point of dispute. Let's say you accept Christie's statement which implies it "DID NOT KNOW about other copies" as truth. Then how you reconcile the portion of its statement - on its own stationary - that says the consignors (Robert and Patricia League) - destroyed a second copy? I've been in press relations a long time. Either you believe the entire statement, or none of it, or dismiss everything as hype. If you believe just part of it, it means you think some of it is truth and the rest is a lie. Either way, this compromises Christie's reputation. I agree with Adrian - I KNOW Christie's was aware of additional copies. That's why the story was printed in the media. The best way to understand this is for you, as a dealer, to put yourself in Christie's shoes, based on what you know. Would you add in your official statement - a reference that an extra copy has been "destroyed?" Putting out a press statement is very unusual in this case. But as I wrote before - and as Helmut correctly points out - all of this could have been avoided if Christie's simply said this poster was the "first ever brought to auction" - instead of this poster "is the only copy in existence." - d.
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 06:54:52 -0400 From: jboh...@aol.com Subject: Re: SO RARE To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU PLEASE LET ME STATE THAT I HAVE NO AGENDA TOWARD ANYONE. My point is that Christies should have been fair with the Outlaw Six Sheet and that Christies have a few dark stories. We all know that. As for the Six Sheet and it's subsequent stories...many American auction houses and dealers knew of the owners having several copies...this comes down to pure research. And all concerned except Christies UK knew that there were four copies...how could this be? Christies are supposed to research these things. Any way Helmut and the rest you don't need this so let this be the end of this thread. -----Original Message----- From: Helmut Hamm <texasmu...@web.de> To: MoPo-L <MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> Sent: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:23 Subject: Re: [MOPO] SO RARE Adrian, with all due respect, but your persistance on this matter is quite obviously a thinly disguised way to express your personal aversion against a certain former Christies consultant. I can't speak for anybody else, but personally, I don't need this. About the 'fraud': I was at the actual sale at Christie's South Kensington, and I met the consignors at the time of the sale. They might have been lying through their teeth, but at the time of the sale, they were VERY convincing in their statement that additional copies had indeed been destroyed, and that the one for sale was the only one in existence. What do you expect an auction house to do, put them to a lie detector test? Also, if I could speak to them and get my own impression, so could anybody else. It's not that either the consignor or the consultant had been hiding in the shadows. For all I know, any allegation that Christie's, their consultant, or anybody else aside from the consignors, had any actual KNOWLEDGE of additional copies is simply not true. They could have, and maybe should have, SUSPECTED additional copies, but there was no way they could have actually KNOWN about them. This poster got a lot of media attention at the time of the sale, and if Christie's had labeled this as 'first time at auction' instead of 'only known copy' I seriously doubt that it would have hurt the price. Only copy or not, when you see this in person, it is an amazing piece and this was the FIRST TIME this poster showed up for sale. With items like this, it's usually the first one that brings in the big money, and Christie's UK was the perfect venue for the sale. I've no clue who bought the first copy at Christie's, but they always managed to draw a very unique crowd, including many non-collectors, so chances are that the current owner is stil happy with his purchase and probably couldn't care less about this discussion. Helmut The point is that an auction house as you implied...should be fair. The consultant knew that there were four copis and yet he went ahead and described the first Outlaw six sheet as the only one...then three others arrive selling for (the last one) a third of the first ones price. What the first one selling amounted to was fraud... Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.