He works in a bank? Op 16 apr 2012, om 22:56 heeft Bruce Hershenson het volgende geschreven:
> I heard that was (at that time) the only known Annie Hall one-sheet, which > was why it went so high. > > Bruce > > P.S. Full disclosure: Joe Burtis is a jabbernowl, a mooncalf, and a > luddyduddy. > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Joe Burtis <jbur...@mpagallery.com> wrote: > I, too, was at the dinner that Helmut mentioned, and clearly remember the > consignors plainly stating they destroyed the additional copies. The > Christie's expert believed them who, full disclosure, is a good friend of > mine. I'm sure some people at Christie's believed them and others didn't. > This "conspiracy" is a pretty dull one. > As far as press statements, they blanketed London with press for every one of > their auctions, which is why wealthy novices showed up and purchased Annie > Hall one sheets for 4,000USD. > > > > Please visit our website: > www.mpagallery.com > 90 Oak St. > E. Rutherford, NJ 07073 > 201-635-1444 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Kusumoto > To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:51 PM > Subject: Re: [MOPO] SO RARE > > For Christie's to be "unaware" of other copies of "The Outlaw" is just one > point of dispute. Let's say you accept Christie's statement which implies it > "DID NOT KNOW about other copies" as truth. Then how you reconcile the > portion of its statement - on its own stationary - that says the consignors > (Robert and Patricia League) - destroyed a second copy? I've been in press > relations a long time. Either you believe the entire statement, or none of > it, or dismiss everything as hype. If you believe just part of it, it means > you think some of it is truth and the rest is a lie. Either way, this > compromises Christie's reputation. I agree with Adrian - I KNOW Christie's > was aware of additional copies. That's why the story was printed in the > media. The best way to understand this is for you, as a dealer, to put > yourself in Christie's shoes, based on what you know. Would you add in your > official statement - a reference that an extra copy has been "destroyed?" > Putting out a press statement is very unusual in this case. But as I wrote > before - and as Helmut correctly points out - all of this could have been > avoided if Christie's simply said this poster was the "first ever brought to > auction" - instead of this poster "is the only copy in existence." - d. > > Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 06:54:52 -0400 > From: jboh...@aol.com > Subject: Re: SO RARE > To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU > > PLEASE LET ME STATE THAT I HAVE NO AGENDA TOWARD ANYONE. > > My point is that Christies should have been fair with the Outlaw Six Sheet > and that Christies have a few dark stories. We all know that. > > As for the Six Sheet and it's subsequent stories...many American auction > houses and dealers knew of the owners having several copies...this comes down > to pure research. And all concerned except Christies UK knew that there were > four copies...how could this be? Christies are supposed to research these > things. > > Any way Helmut and the rest you don't need this so let this be the end of > this thread. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Helmut Hamm <texasmu...@web.de> > To: MoPo-L <MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> > Sent: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:23 > Subject: Re: [MOPO] SO RARE > > Adrian, > > with all due respect, but your persistance on this matter is quite obviously > a thinly disguised way to express your personal aversion against a certain > former Christies consultant. I can't speak for anybody else, but personally, > I don't need this. > > About the 'fraud': I was at the actual sale at Christie's South Kensington, > and I met the consignors at the time of the sale. They might have been lying > through their teeth, but at the time of the sale, they were VERY convincing > in their statement that additional copies had indeed been destroyed, and that > the one for sale was the only one in existence. What do you expect an auction > house to do, put them to a lie detector test? Also, if I could speak to them > and get my own impression, so could anybody else. It's not that either the > consignor or the consultant had been hiding in the shadows. > > For all I know, any allegation that Christie's, their consultant, or anybody > else aside from the consignors, had any actual KNOWLEDGE of additional copies > is simply not true. They could have, and maybe should have, SUSPECTED > additional copies, but there was no way they could have actually KNOWN about > them. > > This poster got a lot of media attention at the time of the sale, and if > Christie's had labeled this as 'first time at auction' instead of 'only known > copy' I seriously doubt that it would have hurt the price. Only copy or not, > when you see this in person, it is an amazing piece and this was the FIRST > TIME this poster showed up for sale. With items like this, it's usually the > first one that brings in the big money, and Christie's UK was the perfect > venue for the sale. > > I've no clue who bought the first copy at Christie's, but they always managed > to draw a very unique crowd, including many non-collectors, so chances are > that the current owner is stil happy with his purchase and probably couldn't > care less about this discussion. > > Helmut > > > > The point is that an auction house as you implied...should be fair. The > consultant knew that there were four copis and yet he went ahead and > described the first Outlaw six sheet as the only one...then three others > arrive selling for (the last one) a third of the first ones price. > > What the first one selling amounted to was fraud... > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > > > > -- > Bruce Hershenson and the other 24 members of the eMoviePoster.com team > P.O. 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